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Dogs and Cancer
Jun 25th, 2013 at 6:15pm
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I am driving along the other day in my truck listening to National Radio and there is a bit on dogs and cancer.
The vet said that 70% of dogs die from cancer and that bigger dogs die between 7 and 9 years of age. I say to Red [that's the dogs name Wink Grin] bloody hell your living on borrowed time mate, he is 9 1/2.









Well to cut along story short he gets a bit of a limp and off to the vet he goes and after an xray he is found to have a cancerous tumour in his back leg and was put down last Monday.

Why do 70% of dogs die from cancer ?

Is it what they are fed all the processed crap are we better off feeding our dogs a natural diet ?
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2013 at 8:14pm
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Sh*t that's bloody awfull mate looks like he was a top dog weve had a couple dogs go like that its sad im not sure the awnser as to why though.the dog we have now has been sprayed as the vet told me it reduces the risk of cancer later in life if it is diet would be intresting to know
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2013 at 8:26pm
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Awesome photos there Salmoner, I'm sorry to hear about your mate.

Im not sure I agree entirely with what the person on the radio was saying. Certainly some breeds might have a shorter life expectancy (Rotties, Newfoundlands, boxers for example) but it is very hard to get figures to apply across the board, also an "average" for a breed is only that, an average so the majority of dogs will be one side or the other of a set figure.
I would say 7-9 years is lower than average even for large breeds and might only be true of giant breeds.

Its interesting that across breeds dogs and cats are likely to be living longer now than previously and modern nutrition is actually considered part of that mix!

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33076736/ns/health-pet_health/t/life-dog-years-many-pe...
“The most short-lived breeds are giant breeds. They tend to live to be 6 or 8 years old,” says John Berg, a veterinarian and professor in the department of clinical sciences at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine in Grafton, Mass. “Large breeds like shepherds, Labs, goldens probably live 10 to 13 years and the medium and small breeds 12 to 14 years. Mixed breeds in general tend to live a little bit longer than pure breeds.”

Also I wouldnt agree that 70% of dogs die due to cancer, my understanding is across all breeds approximately 25-50% of dogs die from cancer but within some breeds the number is higher.

My anecdotal experience would support this. In clinic we may have a slightly skewed view of all dog deaths as we only see those brought in for euthanasia yet I would say advanced arthritis would be at least as common a reason for euthanasia as terminal cancer.

As to causes of cancer, there are a lot. Cancer can arise from virtually any cell type in the body and each cancer may have its own triggers.
For example squamous cell carcinoma is mainly a disease of white haired pink skinned cats and dogs from sun damage, but bone cancer is much more common in large breed dogs (especially rottwiellers) in the long bones of the leg , in rotties one study suggested that desexing also increased the risk for that breed.

Theres a good paper on canine cancer here:
http://www.hindawi.com/isrn/vs/2013/941275/
This chart from the paper might be of interest in particular:
http://www.hindawi.com/isrn/vs/2013/941275/tab1/


Just like in humans with cancer research there are certainly genetic factors and there is a lot we dont know about triggers.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 8:13am
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sorry to hear ya dog passed on salmoner.
a shame as he was getting into his well earned retirement years by the look of it. Sad
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 11:53am
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+1 salmoner, very sorry to hear that mate.
i have lost two of my english setter bitchs to breast cancer Sad
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 5:48pm
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Red was a pretty good mutt. He took me tahr hunting once, deer hunting and salmon fishing a few times.
I have a great picture of him pointing at a spiker with salmoner, dog and deer all in the same frame.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2013 at 10:28pm
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Geez that's a bit rough Salmoner. Very sorry to hear that news. R.I.P. Red.  Sad
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 4:55pm
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How did they diagnose cancer for your dog mate? I had an Xray done on my 3 year old Huntaway while he had a sore leg and it appeared to show a golfball sized tumour on the pelvis, the vet wanted to put him down then and there but I decided not to as I couldn't spare him so got some painkillers instead.

A week or so later he was perfectly fine again, turns out the tumour was actually a broken pelvis that healed very well by itself.

I think the vets now recommend biopsys or surgery to diagnose cancer rather than just going by what it looks like on the Xray.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 8:33pm
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Sorry BBW have just seen your question.

He fell out of my maimai and limped for a few days and then tried to jump up on the deck of my truck and didn't make it and again fell on the side he was limping on. Waited for a bout 10 days and then took him to the vet and he went on painkillers and about 10 days later took him back where he was diagnosed under x ray.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 9:55pm
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BBW the pelvis is not a common site for bone cancer.

Most commonly bone cancer in dogs occurs "towards the knee" eg: tibia/fibula near the stifle or the end of the femur at the stifle;  and "away from the elbow" eg: the top end of the humerus and the carpal end of the radius and ulna.
It can occur in any bone though.
To be fair in an older dog with "classic" radiographic lesions in a "classic" location, further tests are not always done. Bone biopsy for a definative diagnosis is a painful procedure done under general anaesthetic and its not cheap but it has its place.


  
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Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 10:42pm
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My GSP is going on 11 this year,deaf as a post but still going strong otherwise..should get at least this duck season out of the old boy I reakon,still feel mean when I leave him behind on the deer hunts tho an take the pup instead..
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 30th, 2014 at 5:28pm
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Do you see much skin cancer on the face. Dogs being dogs tend to lie in the sun and Im dammed if ive been able to teach mine to put on sun-blocker..

Do their noses suffer from sunburn and cancer?
  

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White coat with pink skin around nose and ears does predispose to skin cancer, even so its more common in cats than dogs. Squamous cell carcinoma is the usual culprit, it starts as spots that scab and then it starts to eat tissue away. pretty horrible cancer, tends to invade locally rather than spread through the body but hard to remove around the nose when well established, best caught and cut out +/- cautery early. Ear tips can be removed if affected.
Melanomas can also occur particularly around the mouth, not sure they are always associated with sun damage in dogs - lumps that may be black or even pink colour. Not as common as squamous cell carcinomas tho in my experience.
You can get animal sunscreen to rub on nose and ears for those with the susceptible skin type.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 30th, 2014 at 7:41pm
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BBW the pelvis is not a common site for bone cancer.

tibia/fibula near Most commonly bone cancer in dogs occurs "towards the knee" eg: the stifle or the end of the femur at the stifle;  and "away from the elbow" eg: the top end of the humerus and the carpal end of the radius and ulna.
It can occur in any bone though.
To be fair in an older dog with "classic" radiographic lesions in a "classic" location, further tests are not always done. Bone biopsy for a definative diagnosis is a painful procedure done under general anaesthetic and its not cheap but it has its place.




Yip knee it was.

Man am I missing the old fella with duck shooting just around the corner. I have a few maimais out L Ellesmere and cant shoot a couple of them as they are surrounded by scrub and any wounded ducks get into the scrub and you cant get them without a dog. He would get everyone of them unless they fell dead and landed up high in a massive tangle of tall bush.
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Reply #14 - Apr 30th, 2014 at 7:43pm
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Hi Ethos,

Your a good man to have on the forum.  Cool Thanks.
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 30th, 2014 at 8:22pm
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Thanks mate, you're welcome.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 6:11pm
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Yup just put my dog down due to liver cancer, 10yr old Brit.
Went in for incontinence and 2 weeks later after tests and diagnosis made the heavy decision.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 8:01pm
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sorry to hear johnd
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 8:12pm
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Yes sorry to hear that.
  
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Sorry to hear that johnd .
  
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here is photo of our old girl "Buttons"
my first bird dog
took a heck of a lot of wallabies she flushed for me and led me into a couple of pigs too.
she got our ducks in nothing flash but a solid worker.
G.S.P. huntaway
boob swelled up Vet chopped it off and it gave her another year before coming back...april she went back to vet...Brian said she could have another opening weekend with us and we put her down the next week..I took day off work and carried her out to car took off in boat and buried her by our maimai
4 years ago now but still get a tear telling it
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 9:30pm
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Sorry to read about Red Salmoner! and to others that have lost your Mates
Sadly - my Mate, Cruz died a couple of days ago of a heart tumour at 9.5 years of age - way too early
We had a big day trapping in the bush last week - that night he had a massive heart bleed that filled his body cavities - over a few days he recovered a little but a trip to a specialist radiographer vet on Tuesday showed he had an ugly heart tumour - it ruptured again the next day so we had him put to sleep
He had a huge heart and strong body - there was nothing that would stop him getting to the next trap - he knew every inch of my trap lines
Over the years in our bush properties at Te Puke and Katikati and in community reserves we are currently trapping - it never ceased to amaze me how he could remember the tracks
Cruz changed my life as we both embraced predator control in the hills - he loved to massage the next possum or cat - but would never touch a rat
Love your dog while you have the chance - they don’t last forever! - after nearly 50 years of long living Labradors - I can’t imagine life without a Lab so I am currently trying to find a young adult dog







  
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Cry Cry Crymy heart goes out to you Cruz. Cry Cry Cry
  
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Reply #23 - Jul 8th, 2018 at 8:19pm
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Someone once wrote on here .. a good dog is designed to break your heart, it is so true.

  
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Reply #24 - Jul 10th, 2018 at 2:17am
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That's not good Cruz Sad My last girl went off her food and took her in for exploratory surgery and they found her intestines were riddled with Cancer and fed by the main blood vessel so couldn't be fixed. They ( and me finally...on the phone) decided it would be better for her if she didn't wake up. That was one hell of a slow drive back to the vet to pick her up  Cry

It always seems like the best dogs get taken early. Although my last old boy went to 13 which is pretty good for a Rottie ( he is my avatar ).

I've now decided I will always have more than 1 dog since having 1 and then no dogs would be too much to bear when 1 shuffles off.

Here is my old girl and boy on the work truck a few years ago Smiley



And my current 2 woofers, doing it hard on their own outside couch Smiley

  
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Reply #25 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:01am
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Had to rehydrate after reading through this thread. Mate, that first pic is beauty.

My family has always had english setters, all four of them pretty much fed the same: dog roll, biscuits, chicken necks, milk and cheese (apparently dairy is a no no but we didn't know better at the time). All of them lived to 14+ and were from two very reputable breeders. Not sure if it's the genes or we just got lucky.

Was gonna post a pic but new Photobucket  Lips Sealed

  
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