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Lumps and Bumps
Oct 27th, 2010 at 7:04pm
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Two questions.

Mys sister's boxer has been coming up in lumps.  She's covered in them early in the morning but they seem to disappear as the day goes on.  She hasn't been anywhere different so it seems unlikely to be a contact allergy.
Vets gave her shots but they didn't work.  
The other day my sister said she looked like she had been through a bee swarm.

My Vizsla has had lumps come up over the last few days.  They don't bother her and are mainly on the top of her head and a few down her back.  I wondered if it might be some sort of heat rash?  They are <0.5cm.  Again, she hasn't been anywhere different.

I can probably supply photos but loading them on here is beyond my technological capabilities.....
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 7:23pm
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Boxers are renowned for reacting this way, other breeds can as well. The most likely scenario is urticaria a type of skin hypersensitvity to something (food, plant, chemical, shampoo etc etc). Pics might help, its usually pretty easy to diagnose on sight.

Often the bumps can go down by themselves but some dogs which react more severely may develop swelling around the face which can affect breathing -its good to medicate if there is any suspicion of swelling to the head or face.
The most common treatments for urticaria are, in order of potency, antihistamines, steroids, adrenalin (only used if life threatening).

However a dog exposed to the same trigger is likely to react the same way - its good if an owner can figure out what the trigger is, but not always easy!
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2010 at 8:33pm
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HF wrote on Oct 27th, 2010 at 7:04pm:
I can probably supply photos but loading them on here is beyond my technological capabilities.....

Rubbish. If TJ can do it then so can you.  Wink

Have a look at the instructions here and give it a go. Post in Forum Issues if you need further help.  Smiley
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 7:10pm
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  Grin

I'll have to take the pics first.  She is still lumpy so I'll pick up some Polaramine and try that out.  It's worked in the past for HUGE lumps.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 8:29pm
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If its happening first thing every morning Id be wondering about bedding, blankets, laundry powder allergies and so on.
It is possible for a dog to spontaneously become hypersensitive/allergic to something they have been exposed to for a long time eg: it dosnt have to be a new thing that triggered it.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 8:40pm
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Bed bugs?
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 28th, 2010 at 10:13pm
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blackbunny wrote on Oct 28th, 2010 at 8:40pm:
Bed bugs?

haha fleas ya mean? Flea allergy usually looks different, hair loss and small (1-2mm)red bumps along rump or back. Very itchy.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 2:24pm
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No, these things. Do they affect animals as well?
  

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Reply #8 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:09am
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Wow! It's amazing what happens when you follow the instructions!
Wink
OK - the top photo is what the lumps looked like a week ago.

The bottom one is after I sat picking at the hair on the lumps last night.
  
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blackbunny wrote on Oct 29th, 2010 at 2:24pm:
No, these things. Do they affect animals as well?

Cant say ive ever seen them on animals.
Wiki says that some animals may carry them tho, and wiki is always right  Roll Eyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedbug
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 5:16pm
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HF wrote on Oct 31st, 2010 at 11:09am:



Wow! It's amazing what happens when you follow the instructions!
Wink
OK - the top photo is what the lumps looked like a week ago.

The bottom one is after I sat picking at the hair on the lumps last night.

Looks like urticaria to me HF
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 6:48pm
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So her brains aren't going to fall out through the holes? Wink

Just leave it or is there something I should be doing?

When she was being looked after by a friend while I was in hospital she got a rash on her inner thighs and bum - licked and licked and made it much worse but I used a Nappy Rash cream and that cleared that lot up.  

I think they started from something similar.  Same thing, goe?

  
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A rash is a different form of skin hypersensitivty but its probably telling us the same thing: this doggie has sensitive skin and is reacting to something/s.
allergy testing is available for dogs, Ive got to say ive not seen a high enough percentage of dogs get enough results with the testing to be able to plug it as really great, but it might help - you can get desensitising injections for different allergens, they can work ok with some dogs.
Theres the good old process of elimination to go through - bedding, washing detergent, plants in the yard/grass. and of course diet as well. you are probably aware of some of the low allergy diets around, and you can formulate your own if you prefer home cooking - 6 weeks minimum of a low allergy diet before you will know if its helped.

And to manage the lumps and bumps/rash if they get bad, there are steroids  Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 12:01pm
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blackbunny wrote on Oct 29th, 2010 at 2:24pm:
No, these things. Do they affect animals as well?

Cant say ive ever seen them on animals.
Wiki says that some animals may carry them tho, and wiki is always right  Roll Eyes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedbug

In this case wiki is right, You wont ever see them on an animal because they only come out at night, feed and then hide in crevices, cracks, holes, under loose wallpaper, joins in furniture, etc etc. Humans can be plagued by them and never know what is happening for ages before they are told where to look.
  
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Have they been recorded affecting animals in NZ that you know of Mohoua?
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 12:28pm
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Have they been recorded affecting animals in NZ that you know of Mohoua?

I doubt it would something a vet could diagnose without searching the house so it won't be something that's recorded.
But:
If people that have had bed bugs had pets that sleep inside, they would have been bitten the species we have here will feed on pets.
Not the sort of thing you diagnose symptomatically (as well as the symptoms can be delayed after bite by weeks), the bites can cause a range of symptoms a lot similar to flea allergies, you must find the bugs generally, and then you don't know who or what they've bitten.
  
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Thats interesting.
Not to confuse the urticaria with bed bug bites tho, flea allergy classically causes small red bumps, intense itchiness and hair loss mainly over rump and tail base.
My understanging is that bed bugs are related to lice? lice tend to be relatively host specific, although may occasionally bite a different species.
edit: Ive checked some information from the states- companion animal problems with bed bugs are potentially possible but rare. There is little to no research. Bed bugs are able to feed on dogs but prefer a nice juicy human.  Smiley
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 1st, 2010 at 1:15pm
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Nah not related to lice, they are bugs (Order: Hemiptera) lice being (Order: Phthiraptera), more closely related to cicadas than lice. Preference for humans is all very well but they can't fly so make do with what they can reach.
I would say if they looked into it, bites would be common but problems rare.

Edit: Isn't Urticaria just any allergic reaction on the skin?
never really associated it with flea allergy specifically.
  
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Mohoua wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 1:15pm:
Nah not related to lice, they are bugs (Order: Hemiptera) lice being (Order: Phthiraptera), more closely related to cicadas than lice. Preference for humans is all very well but they can't fly so make do with what they can reach.
I would say if they looked into it, bites would be common but problems rare.

Edit: Isn't Urticaria just any allergic reaction on the skin?
never really associated it with flea allergy specifically.

It is a certain type of allergic reaction, Im just mentioning again above so other readers dont confuse the original topic with the bed bug discussion.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 1:17pm
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Mohoua wrote on Nov 1st, 2010 at 1:15pm:
Nah not related to lice, they are bugs (Order: Hemiptera) lice being (Order: Phthiraptera), more closely related to cicadas than lice. Preference for humans is all very well but they can't fly so make do with what they can reach.
I would say if they looked into it, bites would be common but problems rare.

Edit: Isn't Urticaria just any allergic reaction on the skin?
never really associated it with flea allergy specifically.


  

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Reply #20 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:00pm
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Isn't that cute,
You know something I don't Aunty?
If so please add to the discussion.
  
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Tough day at the office today MohouaSmiley
  
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Tough day at the office today Mohoua?  Smiley

Nah pretty good so far. Even managed in my clumsiness to spill a vial of 98% ethanol on my desk which while evaporating has made a few hours pass rather quickly....

Just think if you are going to call someone a liar, you better add to the discussion with your own view.
  
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hes only joshin ya, your creepy crawly credentials are well established.
  
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hes only joshin ya, your creepy crawly credentials are well established.

Well aware of that, was kind of hoping she would have experiences with all sorts of parasites, and could add.
  
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Grin Grin
  
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Reply #26 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 2:48pm
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i shudder to think were she found a "pantie bug" that big or how that poor fella ended up with it on his forehead!!! Shocked Huh Lips Sealed
  
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Tough day at the office today Mohoua?  Smiley

Nah pretty good so far. Even managed in my clumsiness to spill a vial of 98% ethanol on my desk which while evaporating has made a few hours pass rather quickly....

Just think if you are going to call someone a liar, you better add to the discussion with your own view.



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Reply #28 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:09pm
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And to manage the lumps and bumps/rash if they get bad, there are steroids  

I'd prefer to stay away from the steroids if I can.  The Bullmastiff has been on these for at least 6 years due to her allergy to house dust mites.  Her alkaline phosphotase level is almost double the normal......

I tried the immunotherapy with her but that didn't work.  Then it was preds and misoprostol.  I got the prednisone dose down to 10mg every other day instead of 20mg with that and now she is just on the preds.
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:29pm
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True its not ideal to be on steroids, but most dogs will tolerate mild doses well.
Atopica (cyclosporin) is another drug that can work well, dosnt have the same side effects as a steroid but is a fair bit pricier.
  
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Reply #30 - Nov 2nd, 2010 at 6:35pm
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The alternative to her being on steroids is that she scratches until she is bloody so I live with the damage and the dog is happy.  She doesn't know or care about alk phos levels Wink
  
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Urticaria is basically just a case of hives gone superpowerd. Claratine will clear it up though it may take some months of it to break the reaction. How do dogs handle Antihistamines Ethos?
  
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Reply #32 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 1:31pm
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They seem to handle them quite well, but efficacy varies.
  
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Reply #33 - Nov 6th, 2010 at 7:30pm
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I finally found out about the Boxer's lumps.

They discovered it was the cat biscuits she had scoffed which were causing the problem.
  
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!! well done  Smiley
  
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