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Sep 12th, 2010 at 11:27am
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What do you know about the treatment of the dermotec mite, My 8 month old bitch has it At the moment am feeding her the Purina Ppro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach food which seemed to be holding it back for awhile but now is having further hair loss
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2010 at 10:38pm
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Ive had a fair bit of experience dreating demodex in dogs - I should be able to give you a decent spiel on it tomorrow  Wink
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2010 at 9:53am
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Ok my experience of Demodex in dogs:
Demodex mites are a normal inhabitant of dog skin, most dogs dont have issues though. Demodex mites live around hair follicles.
Some dogs have problems- if mite numbers get too high, skin becomes irritated and hairs fall out - there are two schools of thought as to why.

One school of thought is that there are some "strains" of mite that breed to quickly, the other school of thought is that the immune system of some dogs does not naturally control mite numbers well enough. Either way, demodex is considerd at least partly heritable. pups naturally acquire their own mites from mum in the first few weeks after birth.
There is another factor also which is not talked about as often but has a huge effect - climate. Mites are more of a problem in a more humid climate. Ive spent some years in the tropics where demodex issues  are very common, compared to NZ especially the south island where it is a lot less so. Some dogs brought from a cold climate to a humid one may have a mite problem where they didnt before. Humidity allows bugs to breed more rapidly.

Demodecosis is best diagnosed by skin scraping, rare cases may need a biopsy to find the mites if they are deep. Demodectic mange is not usually very itchy although the skin is often reddened.

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In my experience, shampoos and washes are the least effective treatments. By far the most successful treatments I have used are dosing with ivermectin or doramectin orally or by injection. This type of treatment is off label though - these are pig and cattle products and care is needed as well as a different dose -both you and the vet will need to be comfortable about doing so.  Do not use pour on products.
Border collies and related breeds may be poisoned this way. A blood test is available to see if a dog might be at risk. Most dogs tolerate treatment very well.
My best success has been with weekly injection of doramectin for 8 weeks.

Generally speaking the younger the dog the better the chance of clearing the mites, most dogs (maybe 80% +) dont relapse, but some do. If stressed or when coming on heat some dogs may relapse (its related to stress and the immune system in the skin).

Adult dogs with demodex are harder to cure than pups.
It is recommended not to breed from affected dogs.

  
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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2010 at 10:11am
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I had a lab pup that had this and i think i can remember my vet at the time said that with her first heat the problem might disappear and it did. We used to bath the dog in a shampoo which as the ghost said wasnt that effective. Good luck with it.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 2:00pm
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Many thanks for that, will be of to my vet to try and convince her
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2010 at 1:39pm
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How is you dog going duckshutr? Any updates for us?
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 5:44pm
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Hi Ethos, Sorry for lack of news. Sam has been on Ivomec for almost 2 months now with no more hair loss. There seems signs on new growth but nothing outstanding so it's fingers crossed at the moment but things are looking up Smiley except for my bank balance Sad
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 8:50pm
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Im glad it seems to be settling - cheers for the update  Smiley
It can take a while for hair to grow back, ill cross my fingers for a good result for Sam as well.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 11:58am
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Thanks Ethos, sam has just had her first heat, so now am saving to get her spayed as soon as i can. Vet wants $450 to do the surgery
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2010 at 2:04pm
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Id better not comment on someone elses pricing because I dont know the details -on heat or pregnant speys can be a bit trickier and hence cost that bit more. It all adds up dosnt it.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 18th, 2011 at 7:13pm
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All the hair has grown back and Sam is now of medication, a totally different dog(will put some pics up soon) Smiley Smiley Smiley
Still trying to save for speying costs Cry Cry
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 8:55am
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Don if the figure quoted for speying is just a straight spey then its a wee rich. Dont get me wrong, its not daylight robbery, but if its just for a spey its at the upper half of the pricing bracket

Simply due to volume of work my neighbourhood/work from home vet charges me around $250 -$350 with meds

  

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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 9:10am
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That is the cost of a straight spey, after all the work the vet put into Sam i sort of feel obligated to get her to do the job. It is Cash up front and cant pay the bill of:(
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 10:06am
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Its good news about the mites, good on you for your loyalty, as long as you are comfortable. Aunty is right about the more common pricings for a spey but like I said there can be reasons for charging differently, its not really my place to point the finger.
Thanks for updating us.  Smiley
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 9:16am
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if thats $450 WITHOUT meds then your bill will be over $500, thats Remuera toy dog prices mate. Ring around and compare, loyalty is a 2 way street
  

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