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barra69
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 Posted Tuesday, 21, 2006 @ 11:02 AM
German Army uses it. Its designation, if memory serves is the MG3. Has prettywell the same guts as the MG42 and is almost as fast. It uses the non disintegrating link which comes in belts of 50 but it can also use the NATO disintegrating link. The gpmg will feed non disintegrating link if the small block on the cartridge stop is 'removed' Although it is fast, because of the straight design muzzle climb is not a problem.
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ScotsGun
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Posted Tuesday, 21, 2006 @ 01:12 PM
Nah, we mostly got rid of it...i can understand why. Thw SA80 and LSW were finally sorted, gpmg and the bren also../..to much choice - best just to keep 7.62 for the gpmg. We also used to run around with armalites..hate to admit it but they were the rifle of choice if jumping.Almost wish we had kept the bren and dumped the gpmg...right up until a provo player was holed up in a building and we just sat back and chewed it apart. I hear from the boys still serving that the yanks M40 is having probs in the dusty conditions...perhaps they should raid the national guard armouries for the old M60 pigs? I shot the German's MG some time ago whilst still in. The then serving weapon was good - high rate of fire but not as accurate....for accuracy you can't beat the Bren...that thing is to accurate!
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walker
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Posted Tuesday, 21, 2006 @ 02:06 PM
Whispers quitely "still got one" MKII
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Rocco
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Posted Tuesday, 21, 2006 @ 06:59 PM
The RNZAF has recently ditched the M60D. MAG58 for everyone now.
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GMW
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Posted Tuesday, 21, 2006 @ 10:46 PM
Scots, do you think the Minimi will overtake the LSW in the LMG role & why are some fire teams issued LSW and others Minimis?Just about everyone's using the FN in Iraq and Afghanistan currently & I believe the U.K boys use both.
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barra69
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Posted Wednesday, 22, 2006 @ 09:24 AM
The only problem with the old bren was its accuracy. There was no beaten zone which is less than ideal for a machinegun.
Having carried and used both my loyalty was to the gpmg, yes she could be a cantankerous old cow, she was overweight and ate like a pig but she was loyal and dependable. All you had to do was make sure she was reasonably clean and well oiled  .The M16s we were issued with were ok. They were a little tempremental regarding ammo but they were light and short. Trouble was (without restarting a row about lethality) they were lacking in quick lethality. A very good friend of mine, Joe, had a hell of a shock out in the Oman when he first used 5.56 in anger. He swore that he would never use that cal again because; although he could see his bullet strike it failed to knock his target down quickly.
Interestingly, we accept that we should 'use enough gun' against other lethal prey but for some reason not against the most dangerous prey of all.
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ScotsGun
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Posted Wednesday, 22, 2006 @ 11:56 PM
At the time, the reasoning behind the LSW was sound. However the LMG's have become more reliable, have a higher tolerance to heat (big prob with continuous fire) and lighter to carry. The LSW is now considered the Minimi's poorer cousin but will remain in service until they're used up.Should NATO have went for the 5.56? One thing is certain - with higher rates of fire and the resultant need for carrying more, the 7.62 couldn't stay. I always like to ask those screaming most about the 5.56 if they have actually carried a couple of belt of 7.62 over 20miles or so. Perhaps they'll change again to one of the newer 6mm rounds or perhaps they'll further developp the lethality and 'tumble' rounds. What i can say is this - i can testify to the killing ability of the 5.56. I also remember the prolonged and often useless arguments concerning people gripeing about the 7.62. Barra, we'll never agree mate but that's the beauty of a discussion forum. For me the bren was a better issue. For a gpmg it was to accurate with the gunner often aiming into one soldier rather than the group but it wasn't such a pig nore a bastard to carry....especially when some barmy bastard decided to bring along the tripod! 
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barra69
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Posted Thursday, 23, 2006 @ 09:12 AM
Its getting some other bugger to carry the tripod, C2 sight, barrel bag and ammo that was the prob.
I agree with what you say about the link. In one location I carried a belt of 50 in each or my 58pattern pouches, belt of 50 on the gun and a box worth of link extra(800 rounds) in my bergen. That ammo stayed with me the whole time I was down there but it added 48lb weight to my bergen alone. When all the other essentials were taken into consideration the load was not clever.Scotsgun, yes we will disagree on cal, I was always a shite shot so I had to rely on something big to do the biz. [Edit by barra69 on Thursday, 23, 2006 @ 09:18 AM]
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ScotsGun
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Posted Friday, 24, 2006 @ 01:15 AM
Poor barra,That's one of the reasons i became a pathfinder...because i was a decent shot, could read a map and clever enough to realise that tabbing 20 miles with 100lbs of bergan was stupid!
I remeber stopping for a break and we all rested ourselves by putting the arse of our bergans on the top of a fence line posts. Of course the fence collapsed and we all ended up like turtles; on our backs and stuck.......i remember thinking at that mo as i lay trapped and with the bergan burn eating through my back that there must ba an easier life 
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walker
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Posted Friday, 24, 2006 @ 09:06 PM
Thats what I like about the Bren, you can pick your shots, easy to carry and use in a hurry. Pity no one came up with a belt feed for the old girl or she'ed still be in regular service.
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