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Reply #30 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 8:46am
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Sorry TJ, the Privacy Act applies to anyone who holds private information on another person. I work with it every day.

I think you are referring to the Official Information Act which as you said only applies to Govt depts although that includes any Govt body such as a council etc too.

I think Trade Me will use an automated system to check the Licence number is valid the same as banks do re IRD numbers when you open an account. What happens with a bank is when they are loading your details in the 'puter it logs in to IRD and and the IRD computer simply confirms whether or not the number is valid, nothing more. Its a mathematical check only as others have pointed out.

I doubt much would be gained by getting a copy of what Trade Me holds on you, it will just be whatever you have supplied them and trading history and for us our license number.

I do share concerns as to who can access this stuff though.
  
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Reply #31 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:31am
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here is some further comments from Gary Howat at COLFO when I raised the issue of Trademe disclosing firearms owner detailes to the Police.

"Yes my details were some disclosed in this also. I believe the License being asked for was done in conjunction with the Police. Trademe will drop gun sales if it becomes to big an issue as it is a very minor part of their business. There are some gun owners who work in Trademe and they want to see it continue. Not ideal but I choose not to buy and sell online there now."
  
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Reply #32 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:39am
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This is also possibly why eBay made the decision to make firearms and some parts unable to be listed with them?
  
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Reply #33 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:54am
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Banks use Paystation which has a layered security system for transactions.
Trademe has this protection for FA license numbers?
Is it cool idea to have easy access to things like passport numbers, license numbers, addresses, birth dates-points for identification. In this day and age?
Just guessing until trademe advises....
  
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Reply #34 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:06am
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Trademe reply so far.

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Dear xxxxx,

Thanks for contacting us.

I have looked into this for you and can confirm that we have systems in place whereby we are able to verify the information. Due to the sensitivity of the information however I am unable to comment directly on exactly how we do this.

We hope you continue to enjoy the site.  Have a great day.

If you have further questions regarding this issue please reply and we will answer your email as soon as possible.

Regards,

Mel

Trade Me Support
http://www.trademe.co.nz

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Our conversation so far:

Hi . Just regarding Trademe getting verification for firearms bidding.
How do you know if the bidders license number is correct?

Thanks
xxxxx
  
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Reply #35 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:22am
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Ask them specifically if they are getting the information from the police, cite the Privacy Act (which I understand requires them to tell you exactly what their source of information is), what their specific processes are for safeguarding your information, and mention the Privacy Commissioner if they don't give you a good answer.
  
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Reply #36 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:32am
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No I think they are safe regarding that . I can ask about my information they have stored?? But they have no need to declare anything about their security arrangements.

http://www.privacy.org.nz/assets/Files/82227719.pdf

Read rule 5 and 6.

I could tell them to delete my info. Which would isolate them if they held seperate information details.
  
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Reply #37 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:16pm
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Can i throw another angle on this , all the chat is about buying, what is stopping the sale of firearms from an unlicenced seller. (stolen firearms) If they can fluke a licence number. Does one asked for a licence validation from the seller. I have never traded on tm (ignoranse is bliss) and never will.. probably.
  
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Reply #38 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 1:11pm
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Dear xxxxx,

Thanks for contacting us.

We are legally required to hold onto information for a certain time-frame so unfortunately we cannot delete this number. I am sorry for the inconvenience.

You may like to read through our Privacy Policy which should answer your concerns. It is available here:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Help/Topic.aspx?help_id=145

If you have further questions regarding this issue please reply and we will answer your email as soon as possible.

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OK they hold everyones firearms license numbers in their own records.
  
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Re: Trademe and firearm licence numbers
Reply #39 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:02pm
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Bugger, I just wanted to ask a question on a air rifle auction and got asked for a #... that's retarded, TM knows my age - and I dont need a license for a bloody air rifle!

Bastards.
  
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Reply #40 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 3:17pm
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Kickstart wrote on Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:02pm:
Bugger, I just wanted to ask a question on a air rifle auction and got asked for a #... that's retarded, TM knows my age - and I dont need a license for a bloody air rifle!

Bastards.


Hey,

quick question - but how do they know your age?

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Re: Trademe and firearm licence numbers
Reply #41 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 3:25pm
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Kickstart wrote on Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:02pm:
Bugger, I just wanted to ask a question on a air rifle auction and got asked for a #... that's retarded, TM knows my age - and I dont need a license for a bloody air rifle!

Bastards.


Check the persons other listings for a non-firearm related auction and ask there?
  
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Reply #42 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 6:45pm
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They let us save our passwords in order to log in why can't they do the same thing with the firearms numbers? Saves us putting it in each time.
  
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Reply #43 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 7:09pm
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Seems like a good idea there Tim.
  
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Re: Trademe and firearm licence numbers
Reply #44 - Jun 27th, 2009 at 7:43pm
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I thought I had put my age in when I registered...  Not that I've ever shown them any proof of existance...
  
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