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What calibre?
Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:54am
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Have been thinking and would like to hear everyones thoughts on what the perfect all round calibre would be. Im talking in the bush, open tops, tahr, chamois, reds, wap, in short the calibre for all New Zealand Game.
  
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Thats the age old question on here  Grin. You'd be better off asking how longs a piece of string i rekon.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 1:05pm
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Hmmm... Ideal calibre... (IMHO)

Chamois: 25-06
Tahr: .280
Reds tops: 7mm rem mag
Reds bush: .308
Wapiti: 300 win mag

So the best around calibre would have to be the 25-80rem-win08mag.

In all seriousness get the biggest calibre you are comfortable shooting and it will kill everything in New Zealand comfortably. The 300 win mag would probably be the “kill everything with ease” calibre for New Zealand but many others are more comfortable to shoot or have slight advantages in certain situations.

And you do have to ask yourself where is the fun in having one gun for everything.
  
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Depends on what yoru requirements are. Eg cost to run, how easy is it to find ammo, recoil, barrel length etc.

I went throught the same things last year. I ended up deciding between 280, 270, 6.5x55 and 260. Ended up with 6.5x55. Im only a lightweight so didnt want something unpleasant to shoot, so recoil was a factor in my decision.

280 was too hard to find in a factory rifle (new), and .260 was still a new comer and I wasnt sure if it would hang around. 6.5x55 also handles heavier projectiles as It apperas that .260 they are seated too deep into the case meaning less powder. that left 270 and 6.5x55. I ended up going with 6.5x55, as it is mild to shoot and is big enough for anything in NZ. To get the velocity to compete you need to buy eruo ammo or load your own. So ill be reloading for it soon enough with vhitavuori powder, to get velocty to around 2800 fps with 140 grainers.
  
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At 15yrs, you possibly haven't shot alot of different calibers,so If you have family older friends etc with rifles I'd have a look at what they have and if you can , shoot some of their rifles.
The one thing you don't want is to evenually buy a bigger caliber than you can handle, this will put you off in lots of ways.
One of the main ones is recoil
Heavy recoil won't help with your accuracy and a perfectly good rifle may be discarded as "Not a Shooter" because of this.

Although, maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here and you are not looking for a caliber to buy after your next birthday, just a discussion, In which case check leathels post.

Please clarify what you mean,
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Re: What calibre?
Reply #7 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 3:41pm
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6.5x55 is a good place to start. really cheap to run. around $1.60ish for ammo or $1.20ish to reload. great ballistics (given a half decent set up) and if you get something like a mauser there are parts a plenty for upgrades and fixem jobs.
i own 2 now and wouldnt touch anything else. havent found anything yet that hasent gone down.
no recoil and light enough so you dont mind carrying it about the hills.
but its up to you. like ojr said, if you know someone with different calibres, go out and try them.

good luck mate, keep us informed of how your going with your choice
  

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After extensive research I've decided to go with a .338 Marlin, why??? Because I can.  Cheesy
But at 15, I went out and got a trusty old .303 British and had a ball, and most importantly, what I hit went down. I had a lot of mates with .222's & .243's and I saw a lot of deer run away, maybe hit, maybe not. In the hands of a good shooter they are great, but I'm not one of those and a .30 calibre in the engine room gets em' down every time!!!
I knew a few guys that got a .308 and still have them, that says a lot. Heard good things about the 7mm - 08 to.

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Good choice young man, 30/30 is probally the most usefull, along with the cool guns to fire them around.
Later save up and but something else.
  
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7mm-08
  

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jacland wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:54am:
Have been thinking and would like to hear everyones thoughts on what the perfect all round calibre would be. Im talking in the bush, open tops, tahr, chamois, reds, wap, in short the calibre for all New Zealand Game.


good luck with your choice mate  Smiley  just wade through all the bullshit and sift through everyone's opinions (mine included!) till you work out what you want.  then comes the money equation!!  seriously though, there is some bloody good advice on here - ive already made a couple of decisions about my deerstalking rifle after posting threads on here.  cheers to the people who responded  Grin
  

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.308 or 6.5x55 you can't go wrong with those two calibers
  
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Of the factory cartridges, the 6.5x55 gets my vote.
Great ballistics, low recoil and a great number of different bullets from low weight varminting bullets to heavier bullets for deer and elk.
I use 6.5 for everything from hares to european moose.
The ammo cost is rather low too Smiley
  
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In New Zealand .308 can't really be beaten - you can buy ammo for them anywhere. If you reload you can load them with 110 grain pills thru to 220gr and there is nothing in NZ you cannot kill with all the variety of projectiles - powder and shit you can get that is suitable for .308. I have a Howa better than Sako .308 that shoots many beasties every year. ('cept this year 'cause I'm in Ozzie) It hits harder than a 2-poofy-70 (like gimp uses) is cheaper to run than a 25- costalot- 06 ( like Carlsen Highway uses) it is as accurate as the average shooter can shoot and you can only kill an animal so dead. So I ask you,-- what is the best caliber for NZ???
  
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steveh054 wrote on Jun 17th, 2009 at 3:54am:
In New Zealand .308 can't really be beaten - you can buy ammo for them anywhere. If you reload you can load them with 110 grain pills thru to 220gr and there is nothing in NZ you cannot kill with all the variety of projectiles - powder and shit you can get that is suitable for .308. I have a Howa better than Sako .308 that shoots many beasties every year. ('cept this year 'cause I'm in Ozzie) It hits harder than a 2-poofy-70 (like gimp uses) is cheaper to run than a 25- costalot- 06 ( like Carlsen Highway uses) it is as accurate as the average shooter can shoot and you can only kill an animal so dead. So I ask you,-- what is the best caliber for NZ???

7/08.  It's the .308, but less recoil, better killling efficiency, slightly flatter trajectory, and has taken that old .308 brass and finally made good use of it. Wink
  
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I bought a brno fox .222 as a young fella and shot lots of hares and goats and had a ball. I moved up to a 308 and it knocked the crap out of me and I ended up with a flinch Sad The recoil was way too much for me and I moved down to a 243.
Maybe approach your local Deerstalkers and go to a range day and shoot a variety of calibers, people love showing off their rifles so you should have no trouble getting a go. Smiley
  

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Easy.243 Win  WinkNext question.
  
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I had the flinch thing with my 308.  Suppressed it and it's a pussy rifle now.  My shooting improved considerably.
  

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Thanks everyone it's good to hear everyone's different opinion's. At the moment I use my dads .308 but am saving for my own gun before I leave school so am just searching around for the different pro's and con's of different calibres.
  
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+1. I'm biased though  Smiley
  

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Easy.243 Win  WinkNext question.


Do you consider the .243 to be a good elk cartridge?
I know you can kill it with a good placed bullet in the neck, head or behind the shoulder, but how is it with a hit on the shoulder on a big bull?

To me it sounds a bit dodgy, but I have never used a .243 and it is not legal to use on anything bigger than roedeer in Norway, so I can very much be wrong about it Smiley
  
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all depends on shot placement and range.  bullet construction also has something to do with it too i guess.  if i was shooting at the shoulder, id want to be 100m or closer and shooting a barnes 105gn tsx or a 95gn nosler partition.  IMHO of course  Smiley
  

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.270 WSM 130 grain 3300fps Cheesy
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You know, another way to ask "what calibre do you recommend" is to ask "what calibre do you have".

The answers will be the same...

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BTMO wrote on Jun 24th, 2009 at 6:31pm:
You know, another way to ask "what calibre do you recommend" is to ask "what calibre do you have".

The answers will be the same...

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meatlover wrote on Jun 24th, 2009 at 9:41pm:
BTMO wrote on Jun 24th, 2009 at 6:31pm:
You know, another way to ask "what calibre do you recommend" is to ask "what calibre do you have".

The answers will be the same...

Cheesy

well said Wink


Weirdly enough, my advice ISN'T what I own. I bought a .243, because I wanted my kids to be able to use the rifle. They are both bigger than me now, and while I still love shooting this rifle, I really wish I had a .308.

Next shopping day....

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Reply #27 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:08pm
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7mm08 if you use factory ammo,
260 (6.5mm08) if you handload.

These two calibres are both "necked down" 308, as is the 243 (6mm08).
  

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You'd be a good judge Alfie - haven't you got both?
  
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Alfie, we are shooting at my place this weekend, you keen?
  
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Can't go wrong with a .270.
  
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Dairyispoison wrote on Jun 17th, 2009 at 8:46am:
steveh054 wrote on Jun 17th, 2009 at 3:54am:
In New Zealand .308 can't really be beaten - you can buy ammo for them anywhere. If you reload you can load them with 110 grain pills thru to 220gr and there is nothing in NZ you cannot kill with all the variety of projectiles - powder and shit you can get that is suitable for .308. I have a Howa better than Sako .308 that shoots many beasties every year. ('cept this year 'cause I'm in Ozzie) It hits harder than a 2-poofy-70 (like gimp uses) is cheaper to run than a 25- costalot- 06 ( like Carlsen Highway uses) it is as accurate as the average shooter can shoot and you can only kill an animal so dead. So I ask you,-- what is the best caliber for NZ???

7/08.  It's the .308, but less recoil, better killling efficiency, slightly flatter trajectory, and has taken that old .308 brass and finally made good use of it. Wink



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Reply #32 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 2:28pm
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Any caliber that puts enough energy into your target to kill with one clean shot, at the maximum distance you can shoot into the target.
For bush shooting the maximum distance you can shoot while standing.
For everything else, the maximum distance you can shoot while supported ;
Thats for hunting

    Target and some varmiting is another matter

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Reply #33 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:54pm
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Just the 260 for me ashfishman, but several mates use 7mm08.
Tussock I'll have to give it a miss cheers anyway - family weekend.
  

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