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Reply #15 - Oct 10th, 2020 at 8:17pm
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Reply #16 - Oct 10th, 2020 at 9:02pm
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It was a he not a them. Long since moved to Oz.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 11th, 2020 at 7:38pm
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Do tell us more about "him"
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 11th, 2020 at 9:27pm
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As stated John Jongmans built rifles in New Zealand, and he was based in the Hauraki Plains, Hikutaia, circa 1983, to be precise.

He built the model 1200 Varminter which featured an octagonal action shape above the stock line and a 60deg bolt lift with an Octagonal barrel, it was available in right and left hand with a classic stock made of European or American Walnut.
Originally available in 17 Rem, 222, 223 & 222 Rem Mag and the barrels were supplied by Shilen.

There was also the microlite which was based on the same action but had a round barrel and less figured walnut and was advertised at approx. 6lb

John was also exporting these to the USA and had the model 1250 action which was suitable for the 22/250, 243, 7/08 & 308. And the 1275 action was suitable for the 270 & 30/06.
All actions were available in left and right hand.

He also made one piece bases and rings for his actions and from memory he also made a singleshot falling block action.

I'm not sure how it happened but he ended up shutting shop in New Zealand and moving to Aussie. I heard that the introduction of GST caused that but I don't know if that is true.

You can find some pics of one here
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/left-hand-rifles/j...

If you do a google you will find him on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Custom-rifle-manufacturer-144338022422566/



  

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Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2020 at 9:28pm
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From memory I think Hugh Bradley was building the Bradley rimfire rifle at about the same time.
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 12th, 2020 at 3:53pm
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Thewoodman wrote on Oct 11th, 2020 at 7:38pm:
Do tell us more about "him"

I can remember his rifles and "him".

Bye the bye, have seen some reports coming out of Oz, of his rifles with broken locking lugs. Don't know details as it was some time ago.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 12th, 2020 at 6:03pm
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I had him make me a stock for one of my Sako Foresters about 1983.
I still have it, very slim fore stock with a Schnabel fore end and classic butt.
Cost me $459 back in the day..... and The Sako action I imported from Finland for $485. Collins and Bradey  fitted a Douglas barrel for $323 in 7M08  Smiley
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 12th, 2020 at 10:18pm
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NIMROD wrote on Oct 12th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
I had him make me a stock for one of my Sako Foresters about 1983.
I still have it, very slim fore stock with a Schnabel fore end and classic butt.
Cost me $459 back in the day..... and The Sako action I imported from Finland for $485. Collins and Bradey† fitted a Douglas barrel for $323 in 7M08† Smiley


That was a very reasonable deal! I dropped $960 on a new Sako AII .308 near the end of 1983.
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 3:53pm
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Whilst Tikka T3 isnít a classic it is possibly one of the top sellers in NZ - esp in 7mm08.
Ruger 10/22s probably the most popular .22.
The actual results of a poll might be very enlightening.

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T3 in 708🤣 and Iíve never lived in Auckland
CZ455 in .22 - most accurate Ďcheapí .22 IMHO after many weeks of research.
Most underrated is my Baikal in .223 - itís a little ripsnorter!
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 7:59pm
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the winchester lever in .303 brit   now that is a classic to end all classics....seen photos and have "heard of" one locally but never actually laid my eyes on one...
Radar one day the humble Bakails may well be considered a classic...they sure are reliable and will be around for a long time to come.
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 14th, 2020 at 8:55pm
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I would have to second the 0.303, and add sporterised MK1 to the mix.

I personally have always used a 308, but have always admired the 303 and the old timers who used them in my part of the world growing up.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 15th, 2020 at 10:36pm
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The .303 as a hunting rifle was a piece of shit really, co*k on closing, double stage trigger on most of them, hard to mount a scope - they were the Model T of guns.
But because there was a shitload of them around after the war years they were what got used.
They were cheap and so was the ammo - used to get those round cardboard drums of military ball and whacked quite a few deer with them - watched a lot run away leaking too.
The CAC softnose bullets were better - but cost more.
When I was a young fella they were all you saw out there - I had no idea anything else existed.

Then one day an old culler brought a 'well used' BSA Viscount 7x57 into work and my eyes nearly popped out of my head ....................
I bought that gun and shot it until the bullets went so far away from where I was aiming it wasn't funny - so I dumped it, hopped on my AJS and shot into Tisdals and bought a spanking new BRNO ZKK600 in 7x57 for $180.
Am still shooting that gun and It's never given me any trouble except for when I broke the stock through the wrist. Got a piece of walnut from Din Collings and made another one - came out alright too  Smiley

I like that gun, and I liked the BSA as well - be a toss-up for me as to which one I preferred - about equal I think........... so there's my 'classics' right there  Smiley

And to throw a spanner in - I did have a really nice Metford Lee Sporter which was probably the prettiest gun I ever owned. That thing was so far above the average cut down military gun it wasn't funny, but far too pretty to scratch or shoot - went to a 'collector'.




  
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Re: Classic New Zealand rifles
Reply #27 - Oct 17th, 2020 at 1:33pm
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I have a mint condition Viscount in 7x57 in my gun safe. Stopped using it when I took a tumble and landed on it and thought I'd snapped the stock at the wrist. Tack driver too. Get it out at the range now and again. Lovely rifles, the best of the BSA's in my opinion.
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 19th, 2020 at 10:24pm
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BSA Hunter/Viscount 7x57 with a Pecar 3-7  scope on top
  
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Reply #29 - Oct 20th, 2020 at 11:44am
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Those Pecar's could be considered a 'classic' on their own, I've had 3 or 4 and not one of them leaked.

Another good scope were the old Tasco's. My brother in law had one on his gun for close to fifty years and in all that time I never bothered looking through it - until one day when I got to look after his gun - I did.
That old thing was as clear as anything I looked through - and I wanted it. The gun had been passed down to my nephew at that stage and it eventually ended up with his mate who put another scope on it.
"What's he doing with that old Tasco ?"
"Dunno."
"Ask him."

After a couple of weeks ................
"He's keeping that old scope."
"Why ?"
"Makes a good paperweight."

I wonder if anyone with the initials 'MD' is gonna make a case for the old single M8 Leupold's ?

  
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