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Reply #120 - May 7th, 2020 at 10:40pm
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allroundslayer wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 8:45pm:
Just reading that Sue Gray report thing you posted Allan, some things just don't add up, here is a cut and paste out of it.

The good news is that despite the Covid hype, the 2020 overall death rates for most countries are similar to death rate trends in other years. All that has changed is the reported cause of death, with many pneumonia or coronary deaths now reported as death by Covid (often because covid was present, whether or not it was the primary cause).

The bit i don't understand with this is if the death rates were the same as other years why would they be need to build mass graves and have mass buries in parks and so on?. And the hospitals have been full to the brim and so on? Surely this is not going on every year? So basically I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to work out this report is clearly rubbish!!!!!

Yea the US have always had mass graves.
Anyone not claimed, or un wanted. If the family can't afford a funeral, many reasons they get taken to an island that the state of New York bought and buried in mass graves. 60 million people die worldwide every year.
  
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Reply #121 - May 8th, 2020 at 6:31am
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DHDS (Deerhunter Duckshooter) wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 10:40pm:
Just reading that Sue Gray report thing you posted Allan, some things just don't add up, here is a cut and paste out of it.

The good news is that despite the Covid hype, the 2020 overall death rates for most countries are similar to death rate trends in other years. All that has changed is the reported cause of death, with many pneumonia or coronary deaths now reported as death by Covid (often because covid was present, whether or not it was the primary cause).

The bit i don't understand with this is if the death rates were the same as other years why would they be need to build mass graves and have mass buries in parks and so on?. And the hospitals have been full to the brim and so on? Surely this is not going on every year? So basically I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to work out this report is clearly rubbish!!!!! 
Yea the US have always had mass graves.
Anyone not claimed, or un wanted. If the family can't afford a funeral, many reasons they get taken to an island that the state of New York bought and buried in mass graves. 60 million people die worldwide every year.


Wot about in spain how they are using the local skate parks as  make shift holding grounds for the dead? is this common practise Deerhunter duck shooter?
  
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Reply #122 - May 8th, 2020 at 6:38am
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allroundslayer wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 6:31am:
DHDS (Deerhunter Duckshooter) wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 10:40pm:
Just reading that Sue Gray report thing you posted Allan, some things just don't add up, here is a cut and paste out of it.

The good news is that despite the Covid hype, the 2020 overall death rates for most countries are similar to death rate trends in other years. All that has changed is the reported cause of death, with many pneumonia or coronary deaths now reported as death by Covid (often because covid was present, whether or not it was the primary cause).

The bit i don't understand with this is if the death rates were the same as other years why would they be need to build mass graves and have mass buries in parks and so on?. And the hospitals have been full to the brim and so on? Surely this is not going on every year? So basically I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to work out this report is clearly rubbish!!!!! 
Yea the US have always had mass graves.
Anyone not claimed, or un wanted. If the family can't afford a funeral, many reasons they get taken to an island that the state of New York bought and buried in mass graves. 60 million people die worldwide every year.


Wot about in spain how they are using the local skate parks as  make shift holding grounds for the dead? is this common practise Deerhunter duck shooter?


No that is not common practice Allroundslayer
  
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Reply #123 - May 8th, 2020 at 9:53am
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OIA request to DOC.

Dear Minister, Lou and Martin

Please could you provide all relevant information (including advice, analysis, correspondence and any minutes or notes of meetings) which explains why DOC decided to purport to close public access to land managed by DOC during the recent covid response

Please include information which shows the legal authority relied on, and any assessment of risks and benefits for physical, mental and spiritual health and wellbeing of restricting access to NZs great outdoors and activities such as walking, camping, hunting and fishing .

Please also provide any assessment or other information you have about the importance of wild food for feeding NZ families, including with the imminent recession, and what consideration DOC has given to ceasing the poisoning of public land, ecosystems and the food chain for public good considerations.

Please also provide information to show DOCs budget for predator control for last year and the next three years and any information to show how the objective and/or choice of method could or will be changed to protect safe food gathering, provide more local employment and ensure "social licence" for DOCs pest control activities.

Please also provide the outcome of any DOC surveys and other public engagement in the last 5 years that assess social licence (or otherwise) for the use of 1080 and other poisons on public law.

This request is made on behalf of the NZ Outdoors Party which seeks alternative solutions to the current "non-Green" landscape aerial spreading of poisons such as 1080 which are deadly to humans and all mammals, and which contaminate ecosystems with toxic fluoride.

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Reply #124 - May 8th, 2020 at 3:09pm
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reading the above a fella could be forgiven for thinking Marty was back Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #125 - May 8th, 2020 at 3:16pm
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PRESS RELEASE
NZ OUTDOORS PARTY
8/05/2020

When the Government Breaks the Law - The Illegality of the Covid Rules



The New Zealand Outdoors Party is stunned that the government proceeded with strict lockdown rules and threats of prosecution despite preliminary Crown legal advice that its plans were unlawful. 

The lockdown rules prohibiting outdoors activities such as swimming, fishing, hunting and boating were very wide. "I could not understand how solitary outdoor activities could spread a virus." says NZ Outdoors Party co-leader and lawyer Sue Grey. "It was frustrating looking at the calm water across the road from my home, and being told it was suddenly illegal to paddleboard or kayak there". 

As more evidence became available, it became clear that early Covid models had greatly exaggerated the risks. Grey started researching and quickly found that the powers relied on to prohibit outdoor activities only applied to congregations. "The law made sense. The government's notices did not" says Grey.   

Grey sent her analysis to the Prime Minister and Attorney General and asked them to explain if she was wrong.  After receiving no reply, she went paddle boarding. "It’s important to walk the walk to stand by your beliefs" says Grey. "It shook me that our long established rights and freedoms suddenly felt so fragile. I took a pile of legal analysis with me in a plastic bag, in case I was "dobbed in" or challenged by the Police. It has shaken me even more to now learn that our Prime Minister and government appear to have deliberately misled the public. How dare they encourage people to "dob in" others for breaking fake laws. It’s fundamental to the rule of law that the government must obey the law. The failure to do so is tyranny."

The New Zealand Outdoors Party has released a series of press releases and videos, and sent a series of correspondence with Attorney-General David Parker and Crown Law, asking for release of legal advice in the public interest. It’s very important that the public understand the process and advice relied on by the government, and what respect the Crown gives to the law. "How can the public be expected to comply with rules when there are doubts about their legality, and whether the Crown is misleading us" says Sue Grey.

https://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz/coronavirus-people-should-be-fighting-over-seeds...
https://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz/rioting-in-the-streets-or-paradise-in-the-great-...
Sue Grey legal advice on video. 5400 views.      https://youtu.be/pIRsHdHJNoI

New Zealanders were told to stay in their homes under threats of prosecution if they went outdoors to enjoy activities. As a result trampers, boaters, hunters, fishers and many other outdoors people missed much of the prime autumn season.
People seemed afraid to question authority. Perhaps it was the government messaging that was designed to make it feel unpatriotic to ask questions. Even national representative hunting and fishing bodies acquiesced.

“We should always feel safe to ask questions”, says Sue Grey. “If we don't step up and exercise our freedom of speech and other rights and freedoms, they will be eroded. We cannot allow the scenario where people feel they will be punished if they don't stay silent.  Even with well intentioned and principled rules, there can be an overreach of authority. If rules cross this line, they become an abuse of power. We all need to step up and take back our power.

I'm still waiting for the Prime Minister and Attorney General to reply to my request. We've only seen Crown advice leaked by a brave whistle-blower. The longer they take, the more it suggests they have no firm legal foundation for their actions.”

"It is fundamental to a democratic society that the government must obey the law. The legal basis for the Crown to interfere with our rights and freedoms should be very clear. It’s extremely concerning that the Crown appears to have shopped  around for legal advice to try to justify its actions. I was suspicious when the Prime Minister encouraged members of the public to “dob in” New Zealanders who engaged in these activities. This is so contrary to our Kiwi culture. It now appears that the government knew there was no sound legal basis for their rules and the Prime Minister incited false arrests by the Police.

We are in new constitutional law territory here. No doubt much more will unravel in coming days.

It’s already created an interesting situation for Minister of Health David Clark who was rebuked for flaunting the fake laws. Even more concerning is the position of those who were arrested or prosecuted for breaching these fake laws.  "Let’s hope the government promptly steps up, reviews its position and withdraws all such charges", says Grey.


For further information contact:



Sue Grey LLB (Hons), BSc
Co-Leader NZ Outdoors Party
www.outdoorsparty.co.nz
PO Box 1653 Nelson, NZ
pH +64 22 6910586
suegreylawyer@gmail.com
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Reply #126 - May 8th, 2020 at 3:18pm
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Thats certainly a lot to ask for in one bite.  Smiley
  

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Reply #127 - May 8th, 2020 at 4:45pm
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Fark, time for ‘all & sundry’ to get out hunting for sure!!! 👀 😂
  
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Reply #129 - May 8th, 2020 at 7:17pm
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You would be lucky, they wouldn't release it Wink
  
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Reply #130 - May 8th, 2020 at 7:31pm
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The irony; unrelenting support for Jacinda ignoring the rules of law. Yet when it suits....
  
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Reply #132 - May 8th, 2020 at 8:32pm
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Lauries Hut wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
BC wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 6:59pm:
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The irony; unrelenting support for Jacinda ignoring the rules of law. Yet when it suits....


Then there is the bigger picture in that swift action was needed. Could there have been a better way with laws that were not written when modern transport and 10 of thousands of potential doners threatened a tsunami of infections? The unknown and the potential were strong drivers to protect public health..
  

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Reply #133 - May 8th, 2020 at 9:21pm
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In that respect tend to agree.
However I suspect a significant part of the reason the lockdown succeeded, was because the majority of us respect the rule of law. And by default we expect or assumed the same of our leaders.

For a global superstar of communication, she could have easily communicated what was required and why. Without the need to bullshit, and threaten.
And let’s call a spade a spade we have been repeatedly lied to.

I can’t be bothered reading all the commentary on it, opinion from the majority of the press has little value, and I don’t have time to read the legal opinion of those who count.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy with the place we’re sitting right now in terms of the COVID battle.
I’m not happy with the deceit.
It’s yet to be proven if the economic cost will be worth it.
We’re yet to see analysis where comparison is made between lives saved, and those lost in the longer term due to the shutdown of our health system, increased suicides etc.
And, I guarantee we’re far from being out of the woods, or at the end of the lockdown.

And I would think of significant importantance for those in love with Jacinda’s stardust; with the exception of dictatorships I cant think of a leader of any business or govt, who successfully led by applying one rule for themselves and another for the rest. (Long term)
  
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Reply #134 - May 8th, 2020 at 9:34pm
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Lauries Hut wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
BC wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 6:59pm:
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The irony; unrelenting support for Jacinda ignoring the rules of law. Yet when it suits....


Justify this "unrelenting support for Jacinda ignoring the rules of law".

If you look back I don't support the ignoring of the rules of law, I simply say that its not proven and that in any event society on the whole seem to approve. Society approving the lock down rules does not justify a breach of law but the mitigating factors of urgency and uncertainty make it understandable so long as it was not wilful.

You will also see that I said that Government behaving inside the law is a basic tenant of democracy. That it hasn't  has not yet been tested in Court, but if they have breached the law parliament and the voters will decide their punishment. That is what I have said.






  

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