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Kanuka selfbow build questions
Mar 27th, 2020 at 6:03pm
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Hey guys, new to the forum and bow hunting, but have been rifle hunting for 25 years or so. Recently taken up trad bow hunting and building my own bows. Last weekend I cut a good kanuka that yielded 7 staves (3 good ones and 2 average ones for adult bows, and another 2 shorter ones to play with and make kids bows)
All the literature I have is northern hemisphere based, so no info on how to deal with Kanuka/Manuka.
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1. Is it usual to dry the split staves with the bark on? Does the bark peel ok once dry? I have removed the bark on one and sealed the back with PVA, and peeled another and left it sealed just on the ends to see what happens....
2. The wood looks semi ring porous so is treated like a white wood. I.e peel the bark and that becomes the back? No ring chasing?
3. What design works best with Kanuka? Flatbow or deep cross section like an English longbow?

I guarantee that a few staves will become firewood, thats part of the journey. Any tips from anyone experienced with the wood would be welcomed!

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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 6:05pm
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it peels easy when dry.....it sort of flakes off too.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 6:11pm
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Thanks Micky Duck,

I thought as much, but just checking as it comes off really nice and clean wet. Was hoping the same once dried off!

Im going to build a flatbow first up and see how it goes
  
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it makes awesome shovel handles....thats how I know it peels off easy.
keep us posted on how it turns out....lancewood could be another option....supplejack makes simple kids bows....and comes pretty big.... lots of options out there.
  
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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2020 at 8:13pm
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Sure will! Its going to be a while before any real progress, needs some drying, but Ill be sure to post updates
  
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A good idea might be to post your journey making these on here (with photos), I'd certainly be interested.

I made two kanuka self bows quite a few years back for the kids, but for the life of me, can't remember how I went about it. I do remember they were flat bows of moderately light poundage and was surprised at how thin they ended up. They were quite short, about five foot or a little longer I think
I also cut some staves from hazel and puriri, but that's as far as I went with them as the kids lost interest.

I do remember others in NZ had made 'self bows' with kanuka and had posted their results online - made some very powerful bows.

Like MD I've made axe handles out of kanuka - I roughed those green, painted the ends and hung them up in the garage rafters to dry. Made a couple of full length handles and a tomahawk one and they've been working fine.
It's a good wood to work, much easier green than dried, or that's what I found - takes a nice finish too.

Oops, I see The Duck made shovel handles, haven't done that.


  
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Reply #6 - Mar 29th, 2020 at 6:22am
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I milled some Kanuka some years ago. For a friend who wanted to make a coffee table. His research was that either it had an issue with warping or splitting, I cant remember which now. The solution suggested was to drop the logs in a pond for 6 months, then mill them. it seemed to work though we never cut any fresh to see if there really was an issue.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2020 at 8:35am
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http://bullockroadbows.co.nz/, this fellas bin makin selfbows for quite some time
  
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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2020 at 9:44am
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Where would I find some Kanuka or something similar? I'm in the Chch area. cheers.
  

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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #9 - May 25th, 2020 at 6:45pm
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Im interested in this as well, Im currently mucking around with a piece of Privet which seems to be holding its strength well, Im playing around with tillering it - its only 54 inches but is safely holding 23 kg - its at a rough stage of development but its an interesting little project.
I now have 3 X 6 foot privet Lengths during in the attic space and hopefully after more research Ill sort out exactly what I want.
Ill keep posting as I go, hopefully we can all learn from the postings👍
  

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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #10 - May 25th, 2020 at 8:19pm
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Marrco  I got good straight manuka from roadside at kumara junction lol....there are stands of it all over the show.road to lewis pass has bits of it...pretty sure its on banks pininsula too.
  
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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #11 - May 29th, 2020 at 4:38pm
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Hi, probably not much help but there used to be a bowyer in Albany, Jerry Jessen, he didnt do self bows that I saw but made several recurves and Compounds using kanuka/manuka as riser wood. Kind of pinky from memory and had no issues with it that I remember
  
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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #12 - Jul 7th, 2020 at 9:50am
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Needs to be seasoned wood for it to not split or peel. Have to lie it under the house for a year or two.
  
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Re: Kanuka selfbow build questions
Reply #13 - Feb 28th, 2021 at 8:18am
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I'm new to the forum as well but I've been bow building for some time, I've been successful in chasing kanuka rings. I personally didn't think Kanuka had much spring so I'm playing around with a Maire branch that came down on a mate's place, VERY springy Shocked hopefully not too brittle. anyway, a fast way of drying staves is to paint the ends with WATER-BASED enamel paint, (better than PVA. oil-based won't stick to the wet wood) take the bark off and leave them in the hot water cupboard for a week, if the heat is even they shouldn't split check every day to be sure, then put them in a cool dry place for another week and they should be ready for tillering (10% moisture or less, a moisture reader is a handy thing to make sure, $40 at mitre 10 is worth it).
yep, I had 15 bows go firewood on me before I got it right, but I was particularly stupid Cheesy
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