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Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Jul 28th, 2019 at 9:13pm
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So I spoke with a firearms officer today,
He told me that the original 10 round magazine for SMLE’ are prohibited, not the firearms themselves.
So I was wondering if it is possible to either buy a 5round mag for my mkIII, or if it is possible to modify the magazine?
It upsets me that a lot of these old fossils are being handed in to the cops and being destroyed, just because of the mag size. I mean you could ditch or “miss place” the mag, but is it worth it? Any suggestions would be appreciated. It’s a crime to destroy these old 303’s in my opinion  Cry . Cheers fellas
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 9:41pm
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IF that is correct it means there are literally THOUSANDS of prohibited SMLE magazines around....so the purchase price of them will have to be set at a replacement part cost??? anyone hazard a guess how much a SMLE mag would cost to buy??? and that price can only go up as supply is very limited...I seem to recall having a 7 shot mag years back...
this could be a real can of worms...if the SMLE cant get a new mag....the whole rifle becomes worthless so price to buy mag will be much higher...
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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The Firearms Officer has no idea what they are talking about.

Here is the specific section from the amended Arms Act:

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Meaning of prohibited magazine
In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited magazine,—

(a)in relation to a shotgun, means a magazine, whether or not detachable, that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that shotgun’s chamber size:

(b)in relation to any other firearm (except a pistol),—

(i)means any detachable magazine—

(A) that is capable of holding 0.22 calibre or lower rimfire cartridges and that is capable of holding more than 10 of those cartridges:

(B) that is capable of holding more than 10 cartridges and being used with a semi-automatic or fully automatic firearm:

(ii) means any other magazine, whether or not detachable, that is capable of holding more than 10 cartridges


More evidence why firearms licencing should be taken to a seperate Firearms Authority (like the NZTA), as recommended in the Thorp Report
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 10:08pm
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Old mate was from counties Manukau station, maybe he needs to read a book! He did mention that because there can be +1 in the chamber, it is said to be 11 shot. But what’s highlighted there clearly states that it’s the (magazines) capacity. Maybe he was just trying to throw his authority around.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 10:13pm
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The concern is how many more are there like him, and how many licenced firearms owners will take their word as gospel.

Worth a complaint
  

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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #5 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 11:54pm
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Saw the topic headline and thought it must be 1 April.
The guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I hope he’s not the sort of idiot that will now be able to conduct searches without a warrant.
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 5:46am
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Doublebrown wrote on Jul 28th, 2019 at 9:13pm:
So I spoke with a firearms officer today,
He told me that the original 10 round magazine for SMLE’ are prohibited, not the firearms themselves.
So I was wondering if it is possible to either buy a 5round mag for my mkIII, or if it is possible to modify the magazine?
It upsets me that a lot of these old fossils are being handed in to the cops and being destroyed, just because of the mag size. I mean you could ditch or “miss place” the mag, but is it worth it? Any suggestions would be appreciated. It’s a crime to destroy these old 303’s in my opinion  Cry . Cheers fellas


Yeah, that cop is 100% incorrect on that.
The 10 round limit does NOT include the round in the chamber.
If you have a 12-round Ishapore 7.62 NATO you might need to limit it though.
You'll get used to cops not knowing anything about the gun laws they are supposed to enforce.
You and your SMLE mags can rest easy, at least for now.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 9:51am
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Doublebrown wrote on Jul 28th, 2019 at 10:08pm:
Old mate was from counties Manukau station, maybe he needs to read a book! He did mention that because there can be +1 in the chamber, it is said to be 11 shot. But what’s highlighted there clearly states that it’s the (magazines) capacity. Maybe he was just trying to throw his authority around.

hs ha I thought the old fosils had all gone from Manukau (there was one really good one long snice retired and now deceased). The 2 girls there now are really switched on.
However, AOs  have always been prone to their own interpretations  (eg security standards) and not just of late under the current climate.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 10:34am
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Yep agreed - no everyone in the Police is up with the play that’s for sure....
  

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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 10:42am
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Radar wrote on Jul 29th, 2019 at 10:34am:
Yep agreed - no everyone in the Police is up with the play that’s for sure....

You’d think they’d be made to sit a test on the new law before they were allowed to enforce it.

Nothing surprises me with govt departments though.
By the time the wheels of bureaucracy have turned everyone would’ve long since moved on to the next thing.
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 5:10pm
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the only lee enfield mag that would be illegal is the 20 round trench mags.
however i'm sure there would be a few collectors who would like one of those which they can have on their collectors license.
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 7:33pm
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He doesn't know what he's talking about.

I fairly sure the ten round magazine maximum was made BECAUSE of the Lee Enfield rifle, so they woulnt have to buy a million ancient rifles back.
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 8:16pm
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Magazine capacity of ten rounds or less is legal. The one in the chamber is not counted. The Arms officer has this very wrong.
  
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Re: Lee Enfield Are Now Illegal Due To Mag Size??
Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 8:38pm
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When you get one of the most senior Police Officers in NZ talking nonsense about "guns that are evil in their nature" you can perhaps forgive a lowly arms officer not understanding magazine capacity or the law.

Its also blackly fascinating to see Politicians, the media, academics and the public talking at length and with great enthusiasm about a topic they clearly barely understand

  

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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 9:01pm
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And to be clear - I still respect the Police as a whole, and think we are by and large very lucky in NZ with our force. We just need better, specialist knowledge around firearms.
  

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