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Rabbits and rocks
Jul 14th, 2019 at 7:15pm
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Hi all
Novice question.
Have a gully on a lifestyle block which would describe as rocky!
Besides the obvious of not missing, was wondering best option for ammo on rabbits at 30-50m to avoid ricocheting   

Have been using subsonic 22lr not to upset neighbours, shotty be a bit loud.
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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 10:16pm
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Imo subs are quiet but terrible at ricocheting. They do not fragment on hitting a rock always. They often pass through a rabbit too and can bounce another 100 meters. I can guarantee this.

Even though the .17 is louder and faster I think they are the better choice.

Happy to told off a better choice.

Ps have heard some fearsome ricocheting with shotgun pellets too.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2019 at 7:33am
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as hc said the 17hmr would be the go and likely disintergrate instead of ricochet.    and duno about lead in shotty but steel shot youd only ever use once  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2019 at 9:58am
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gonehuntin wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 7:33am:
as hc said the 17hmr would be the go and likely disintergrate instead of ricochet.    and duno about lead in shotty but steel shot youd only ever use once  Embarrassed   


Yes mopping up  rabbits around hay bahns and other farm buildings iron clad makes it crystal clear clear just how far a sub will bounce even after hitting a rabbit. Often enough to be a worry.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:10pm
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Air rifle?
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2019 at 7:38pm
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the "good ol boys" at CCI created a round many many many years ago which the hype says will prevent richochette....a bit more fragile and a bit faster to help with it the breaking up thing. STINGER is the name.... they do go off with a crack louder than normal supersonic round. some rifles like them,some not so much...there is also rounds that are plurry expensive but are made to break into 3 parts...THINK CCI make them too???
you CAN play with projectiles to make them open up faster...twirl a 3" nail in the opening to make it bigger (what we did before power points were made) still will bounce off rocks and stuff if subsonic but SHOULD be deformed more so not go so far...... you havent seen subsonic bounce till you try something in the 150grn plus range...that is scary how far and which way they will go Angry Angry
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 16th, 2019 at 12:31pm
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imaca wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Air rifle?


I've shot at a bunny that was in front of a wooden fence post with my air rifle, the projectile came straight back at me and hit me square between the eyes, stung like no ones business!
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 5:18pm
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17hm2 is ideal for that sort of ranges tho kinda hard to get.
otherwise 17hmr. the bullet simply fragments on impact on anything. even a twig will cause it to fragment.
use a suppressor and its fairly quiet.

22lr bounce an amazingly long distance.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2019 at 7:46pm
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If a shotgun is too loud - I think it might be best to switch to trapping  Tongue  I used CCi Quik Shoks for ages, pretty accurate and break apart well, but they still go flying with the classic ricochet sound if the angles are right.
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 4:20pm
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Monsterbishi wrote on Jul 16th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
imaca wrote on Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Air rifle?


I've shot at a bunny that was in front of a wooden fence post with my air rifle, the projectile came straight back at me and hit me square between the eyes, stung like no ones business!


Cause ya missed lol

My votes air rifle with domed pellets. I often sit among the rocks even eith a dog n wait for rabbits to appear although there seems a shortage at rhe mo
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 7:54pm
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Dunno where your from, but I've seen bugger all in my extensive travels in Nth Canty this year...  Calici is doing well - but even hares seem down on numbers.
  

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Kickstart wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Dunno where your from, but I've seen bugger all in my extensive travels in Nth Canty this year...  Calici is doing well - but even hares seem down on numbers.



The new and illegal viris release called ''RHDV2 strain "" which has spread in the South Island and is returning positive results in dead rabbits, possibly has the ability to jump species into Hares. Just a thought.. actually its more than a thought.

A. this virus in now in New Zealand
B. There are several confirmed reports of it killing Hares through Europe..
C. As we have The European hare (Lepus europaeus), also known as the brown hare, in NZ, the writing is on the wall.

Its been suspected of jumping species for some years now in Spain..

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190124193400.htm

''Lead researcher Dr Diana Bell, from UEA's School of Biological Sciences, said: "RHDV2 normally affects rabbits, but the disease is known to have jumped to European brown hares in Italy, Spain, France and Australia. ''
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Reply #12 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 11:39pm
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Headcase I had not realised that it could jump species but that would explain why the few hares we had around here have just vanished
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2019 at 1:02am
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Yes I've been seeing bugger all of late but put that down to seasonal variations. Its killing rabbits for sure but dont sell your guns yet. Evidently rabbits that survive it are then super immune.  Reports from aussie..my hearsay.. tell me numbers are on the increase again.

Super immunity is luckily impartial to lead poisoning.

  

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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 1:45pm
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Numbers fine at my place  can still stand on the gully cliff and see 30 plus at once in a cleared 4ish acre area 
Lots more cant see!
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 29th, 2019 at 5:25pm
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I was under the belief that hares and rabbits were completely unrelated species, in that it would have just as much chance jumping species to bovine or hominid as it would to lepus?

Ackley wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 11:39pm:
Headcase I had not realised that it could jump species but that would explain why the few hares we had around here have just vanished

  

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Kickstart wrote on Jul 29th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
I was under the belief that hares and rabbits were completely unrelated species, in that it would have just as much chance jumping species to bovine or hominid as it would to lepus?

Ackley wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 11:39pm:
Headcase I had not realised that it could jump species but that would explain why the few hares we had around here have just vanished



Well whether or not, it appears it has done in Europe. maybe because hare and rabbits spent a lot of time together, feeding in the same spots.. exchanging body fluids for the same patch of chewed off grass..

Its a virus and quite a few virus can infect different species.. eg rabies, ebola or swine flu. If a dog bites you in Thailand go to the hospital, and dont handle monkeys or let them sit on your head even when someone offers you one..  Grin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-species_transmission


  

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