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Black Powder guns I Have Had
May 11th, 2019 at 3:02pm
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These have been my black powder guns :

.50 cal Flintlock Long rifle



Winchester '73 in .44-40





Winchester / Rossi 92 in .44-40



Remington percussion revolver carbine in .45



.58 Zouave rifle cut down into a carbine



Springfield Trapdoor sporting rifle in .45-70

  
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2019 at 9:27pm
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Nice James, think Iíve seen most of these in print. Iíve always wanted a play with a trapdoor, thatís an especially fancy looking one.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 11:30am
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Good stuff Jim . I dont like revolving carbines as I have seen two chain fire , that is all the cylinders go off at once . I know that it is the fault of the loader not sealing the chambers properly and preventing flash over  ,but the pieces of lead shaved off tend to fly about  and are potentially dangerous , neither shooter or gun were harmed in both cases but the shooters got a serious fright . Shocked Shocked
I owned an officers model H&R trapdoor springfield as well as an original, both shot well but the original was more accurate  and the H&R had a scary tendency to fly open and eject the empty case with anything but the lightest loads .
I also owned a Zouave which was one rifle I could never get to shoot . The guy I sold it to shot very well with it  Embarrassed
The flinter looks nice , Who made it?
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:40pm
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The flintlock is a Pedersoli Kentucky rifle originally, but I did some stock work on it to make it look the way it was supposed too, as well as altering the touchhole size etc.
It came out pretty good and a fair example of a lfintlock from around 1800 period.
The stock as they come from Pedersoli are just "wrong" but there is enough wood on them to reshape them and you end up with more of the graceful look the originals had.

The revolving carbine I got rid of as well - not because of chain fires, but because with your face so close to the gun when you fire, the muzzle blast and noise was such that it would give me a head ache after two cylinders. And you keep getting stung in the face with tiny bits of percussion caps which means you have to wear glasses. I was using full power loads though, 40 grains of powder.
I wanted to hunt with it, bit for these reasons it wasn't practical.
I think this is why the Revoloving carbine did not sell well at all.

I couldnt get my Zouave to shoot well either - good enough for a deer out to 50 metres but that was it, but boy you could make it thump you. I used to use a 600 grain bullet and load 100 grains of powder. It would hit you hard enough to stop your heart for a second and that big bullet would go through two horses lengthwise.

The Springfield is the same H&R officers model you had. Apparently the trapdoor opening on recoil was a fault that had to be fixed, they didnt make the catch the same way as the originals and you have to modify it. My one didn't do it anyway. It was fun but it never shot as well as I wanted it to, so I sold it to someone else.

The flintlock was atually more accurate than either the Zouave or the Springfield.
The Winchester 73 was frighteningly accurate with a blackpowder load over a smokeless priming which was something target shooters used to do around 1900 once bulk smokeless came out.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 5:37pm
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Talking black powder and the current topic of gun bans, many moons ago (mid 90's) I worked in South East Asia. I was heading into the highlands of Laos (where almost all civilian guns are banned).
I stopped at a gathering of hunters by some high trees where they had cornered some monkeys. They were shooting them for meat, with completely home made  black powder shotguns.  They proudly showed my their contraptions: about 6 foot of  inch steel pipe was used as the barrel, with a threaded nipple used to blank off the breach end. A stock was fashioned from local timber, and the two held together with binding wire and 2 large nails drilled into the stock as a recoil lug. They were caplock initiated, using childrens' cap gun ammo scratched off  and repacked inside the caps as initiators. a repurposed car door handle spring was used as the mainspring.
They made their own black powder, only having to source sulphur from  agricultural wholesalers. The carbon was made locally, as was the pot nitrate: through a laborious process involving the soil from under dead animals (? they kept in one place for just such a use!)
Shot was road gravel. Wadding was used newspaper.

They were pretty dab hands at using them within their limited capacity. About 20-25m max.

But they worked.  They already had three monkeys and the other two still up in the trees were looking decidedly agitated Sad Sad Sad

Must have some photos somewhere. Will have to drag out the boxes of slides I have on a wet Sunday and try and find them.
  
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