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muzza Donor Member Offline Older and grumpier Posts: 1853 Location: Taranaki Joined: May 13^th, 2007 Gender:	Democracy Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	Democracy ,as well all knew her , died this week in Wellington. Dont ever forget.

	Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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pennyless Full Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 436 Location: tpo Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #1 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Un fortunately we have just been given a lesson in what happens when a tragedy & well meaning people are used to advance an ideological belief.


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XRhunter Donor Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1101 Location: Central North Island Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #2 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Knew her well. RIP old girl


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headcase Global Forum Guide Donor Member Offline Former Youngest Person in the World Posts: 26120 Location: Ponsenby Joined: Jul 9^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #3 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	Just think. We got to where we are a few weeks back after 20 years of informed discussion. All that went out the door. Now the emotional ''high'', or low.. has subsided we are thinking democracy deserved better. We are all probably poorer for its passing...

	“We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same.”
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Backcountry Bob Donor Member Offline Posts: 281 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 8:50am	Print Post
	I suspect though if you had a referendum most people would support the move as most voters now live in cities and have little contact with the outdoors and firearms. And that would be democracy.


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XRhunter Donor Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1101 Location: Central North Island Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 11:35am	Print Post
	Backcountry Bob wrote on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 8:50am: And that would be democracy. Incorrect. As a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch we have literally buildings stuffed with layer upon layer of Acts, Legislation,Amendments, case law, rules, regulations ad infinitum as to how our elected representatives shall act. That's democracy. Otherwise, if you follow purely popularist democracy (as we appear to be doing right now) we would have banned gangs long ago. But we haven't. Cause you can't. You have to follow the rules. (or so I was taught )


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gonehuntin Forum Font Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 2277 Location: Lost Joined: Nov 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	True democracy died out a long time ago, now the facade weve called democracy for a while now crumbled to the ground. this has set a precedent for the current and future govt about what you can get away with. And this is also in memory of common sense which died a while before democracy did.


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Backcountry Bob Donor Member Offline Posts: 281 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	Quote: Incorrect. As a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch we have literally buildings stuffed with layer upon layer of Acts, Legislation,Amendments, case law, rules, regulations ad infinitum as to how our elected representatives shall act. That's democracy. Otherwise, if you follow purely popularist democracy (as we appear to be doing right now) we would have banned gangs long ago. But we haven't. Cause you can't. You have to follow the rules. (or so I was taught Binding referendums are a form of populist democracy. The choice of MMP is an NZ example. The Brexit vote is another


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pennyless Full Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 436 Location: tpo Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #8 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	We're stuffed. RIP


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Gazcan Full Member Offline Yeah, nah.... Posts: 451 Location: Upper Hutt Joined: Jun 18^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #9 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 8:11am	Print Post
	Chin up, cup-cakes. In many parts of Africa no-one has even heard of the word "Democracy". It just doesn't exist.

	The only problem with being perfect is that everyone else's imperfections really piss me off....
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gonehuntin Forum Font Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 2277 Location: Lost Joined: Nov 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #10 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:26am	Print Post
	Backcountry Bob wrote on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 4:44pm: Quote: Incorrect. As a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch we have literally buildings stuffed with layer upon layer of Acts, Legislation,Amendments, case law, rules, regulations ad infinitum as to how our elected representatives shall act. That's democracy. Otherwise, if you follow purely popularist democracy (as we appear to be doing right now) we would have banned gangs long ago. But we haven't. Cause you can't. You have to follow the rules. (or so I was taught Binding referendums are a form of populist democracy. The choice of MMP is an NZ example. The Brexit vote is another and our upcoming stoner referendum. the govt is law change to make thousands of legal law abiding citizens criminals over night then confiscate and prosecute and then next year the want a referendum to stop confiscation and prosecution of thousands of people undertaking illegal activities and make them legit backwards govt their only successes will be made from cashing in on terrorism and drug trade


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XRhunter Donor Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1101 Location: Central North Island Joined: May 30^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #11 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 10:31am	Print Post
	What I find quite most concerning regarding our democratic processes is the point that has only come to light (to me) during the submission process. People from overseas appear to be able to put in submissions and skew data concerning NZ Acts of Parliament!!!! Surely that's akin to foreign interference into another State's affairs So if the Green Party get on the Email list of their fellow Green komrades around the world and tell them to put in pro forma submissions supporting the bill, the finds will so 60% support for the bill But dig a bit deeper and you'll see most all the submissions around 4kb in size were proforma submissions supporting the bill, and contained Zero personal information other than name, whereas most all submissions of a much greater kb size contained (mostly) well worded submissions on how them and their family would be affected by the rushed passing of this bill. Smells big time. I would have expected a minimum of proof of citizenship/residency to be able to have ANY say so on domestic politics. Experts, well they should have been identified formally as experts. Just saying.


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trg42 Full Member Offline Bring on Spring!!! Posts: 284 Location: the mandel Joined: Sep 17^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #12 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	yes, I pretty much point this out in my submission. Also stated that there was every chance that no firearms licence owner would ever vote labour ever again. But, I suppose with all the 'feel good' factor that Taxinder has baffled these non firearms licence people into she probably doesn't care


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Backcountry Bob Donor Member Offline Posts: 281 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Democracy Reply #13 - Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	Quote: Also stated that there was every chance that no firearms licence owner would ever vote labour ever again. I suspect the new law only affects a small percentage of firearms owners


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GDMP Forum Senior Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 730 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2007	Re: Democracy Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2019 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	All the other restrictions that will come into force later this year,will though....they will affect every single license holder.


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