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Best non-toxic options
Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:03pm
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Could anyone with a lot of experience in non-toxic ammunition share their knowledge....

Iím used to 130gr SST in a (1 in 10) .270. What is the best option going forward in terms of a bullet with equivalent speed and terminal performance out to 400m? I am not afraid to change calibres.

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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:08pm
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Further to that, is anyone successfully using non-toxic as a long range bullet (beyond 500m) and if so, what bullet? Thanks
  
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Im using 129 grn Barnes LRX in my 270wsm. 3250 fps. Have been excellent out to 400 yards. Higher bc than the ordinary Barnes and seem to be a bit softer.

Use 150 TTSX Barnes in my 300saum out to 450 yards quite successfully too.
  

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Barnes TTSX expand partly at impact velocity of 1800 and fully at 2000. Put your load into a calculator and the maximum distance will be where the loads go below 2000. Will be different for every caliber / load / bullet weight.

In BC example with the 129gr LRX the speed goes below 2000 at 450m so good call to limit himself to 400m.
  
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JaSa wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Barnes TTSX expand partly at impact velocity of 1800 and fully at 2000. Put your load into a calculator and the maximum distance will be where the loads go below 2000. Will be different for every caliber / load / bullet weight.

In BC example with the 129gr LRX the speed goes below 2000 at 450m so good call to limit himself to 400m.


700 yards for my 270wsm 129grn load @ 3250fps
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:53am
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Are you being forced to move to non-toxic by land owner environmental reasons, or is it you choice? If you have a choice there are better options. If not, your limit of 400m is probably the max, esp as I guess you are culling red and possibly sika.

I shot a red hind years ago with a 100 grain TTSX at 3200 FPS mv at 375m and it didnít go well. Needed a second shot from around 150 to finish her off where she still stood. Lesson learned for me there, and I limited shots to under 200m after that. Heavier bullets going as fast or faster will do a better job, but Barnes need velocity to do their job well. Personally, I think 2000 fps is still too slow for a Barnes to expand well.

Canít say I would use Barnes now except for bush stalking where they are very good. I know areas of the UK have mandated no lead ammo policy now (RSPB areas being an example). Sadly I think the campaign against lead can be at the expense of deer welfare when the limits of non-toxic bullets are exceeded.

Good luck whatever you go with.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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This is a great forum - thanks for the info. A few things learnt already from this thread. Trying the GRX vs the GMX.

Can I encourage more to share their experiences?
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 8:28am
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in the humble .223 the 50 grn ttsx have taken me red hinds with normal ol chest shots at bush ranges piece of cake...stretch that range out and have young fella not place shots right and they hit thier limits (expansion tells me 250ish yards) we got the deer but it wasnt ideal. 110grn in .270 shot mummy chammy and the kid behind it at 200ish yards...mum looked around at kid flopping over bank then got all wobbly and fell herself...good solid chest shot it was too.... Ive got nearly a hundred of the 110s and cant see me using them any time soon as the old school cup n core loads are doing just fine. as for meat damage....whats that???LOL
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2019 at 8:19am
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I guess you mean lead-free.  Some regard copper monoliths as toxic but most do not. If Copper suits your needs look at GS Custom bullets... Big range of proven projectiles. http://gscustom.co.za/

Most of the well-known brands make projectiles to suit your needs. Talk to your supplier.

  

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