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Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Nov 20th, 2018 at 9:49am
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The documents listed below fall within the scope of your request and can be found at the following link

https://www.doc.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/aboutdoc/oia/2018/tahr-control-oi...
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 8:17pm
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some good reading there, the last few pages seem to show that most groups including DOC were against implementing a rushed response. also that DOC were very aware of the wide variation in possible animal numbers. the only group that seems to show no inclination to compromise of the HTCP is F&B
  
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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:38am
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What stands out for me is how marginalised rec hunter effort and kill results are. That desperately needs recognition and a solution if true results are to be used for accurate national kill counts.
We need to take seriously the effects of lead projectiles on Kea and we should be proactive in pushing for a phase out of such in areas of kea habitat.
  
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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:00am
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Shankspony wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:38am:
What stands out for me is how marginalised rec hunter effort and kill results are. That desperately needs recognition and a solution if true results are to be used for accurate national kill counts.
We need to take seriously the effects of lead projectiles on Kea and we should be proactive in pushing for a phase out of such in areas of kea habitat.


Spent bullets...lead, have been spewed all over the Alps since adam was a cowboy. Kea also had a bounty on their heads.
Despite the bounty bit,Kea flourished and the many tons of lead increased to what it is tiday.
Take yi pick eh..tons of lead versus ongoing tons of 1080  Huh
We all know what scones Kea the quickest and it aint hunters.

  

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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:56am
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I am so over you anti 1080 guys and your myopic opinions that continue to harm hunting.
Yep 1080 kills kea and maybe it should be halted in their range while solutions are found.
That however does not diminish the findings that lead projectiles  have been found to be playing a part as well. Or the fact that kea culls, poisoning from any source, predators and time are likely all influences on kea decline.
For once this is not about 1080 and the 1080 brigades constant efforts to bring it into every and any discussion just make us all look like fools.
Just give it a rest.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:16am
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Interesting also how heavily the '10 000 max population' is relied upon in that OIA information thread, and the recent public discussion on this matter. My reading of the HTCP suggests that ongoing monitoring over time would see that number amended ( up or down) if necessary......seems now it has become etched in stone?

Also interesting to see the Minister lining LINZ up for a bollocking for not keeping an eye on Tahr on pastoral leases.......given she is also the Minister of Land Information I guess we can expect to see LINZ sit up and take notice, and funding made available for some work in that space?
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:28am
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Shankspony wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:56am:
I am so over you anti 1080 guys and your myopic opinions that continue to harm hunting.
Yep 1080 kills kea and maybe it should be halted in their range while solutions are found.
That however does not diminish the findings that lead projectiles† have been found to be playing a part as well. Or the fact that kea culls, poisoning from any source, predators and time are likely all influences on kea decline.
For once this is not about 1080 and the 1080 brigades constant efforts to bring it into every and any discussion just make us all look like fools.
Just give it a rest.



That's fine your allowed ti have an opinion. If it bothers you what someone else says then just ignore it.
  

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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:43pm
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sars wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 1:09pm:


There is one thing I always insist on, when dealing with government departments, and that is I demand to know the individual that is making the decision/s and is sending correspondence.

Without knowing who is doing what and who is deciding stuff there is no trail of accountability.

Many of the people, receiving these copies of correspondence, will know the names that have been deleted, however, if you are not one of the privileged few, it is very difficult to do some further research about the contextual relationships between the people communicating with each other.

This correspondence trail gives some information, however, it denies the opportunity for people to follow up, on leads of inquiry, because the people concerned are not named and, therefore, their personal involvement cannot be evaluated as to any conflict of interest they may, or, may not have.
  
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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2018 at 8:23pm
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Unfortunately in relation to OIAs each Govt Dept has strict guidelines on what it can and canít redact (blank out).
In the Police it protects Victims, Police members and various operational matters which are not for public knowledge and protected by law.
Iím guessing that DOC use the same principles that we do from the Act. (Privacy Act).
  

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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2018 at 8:25pm
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Unfortunately in relation to OIAs each Govt Dept has strict guidelines on what it can and canít redact (blank out).
In the Police it protects Victims, Police members and various operational matters which are not for public knowledge and protected by law.
Iím guessing that DOC use the same principles that we do from the Act. (Privacy Act).
Actually itís a well done document from my humble opinion and actually spells it all out - the media have a lot to answer for as far as bad reporting of the facts.....
  

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Re: Response to OFI request for communication on Tahr control
Reply #12 - Nov 27th, 2018 at 9:04pm
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The redaction of documents stretches far and wide. Not just police/Doc but in fact all govt departments and associated areas in NZ. For example that also includes ACC/WINZ/Corrections/IRD to name just a few. Guess that is in part to the PC Privacy Act?


But if rec hunters used there second vote at elections when it came to something important to them such as the latest tahr culls, AATH and the new guidelines that are nearly finalised for WARO, I think we would be in a better position collectively on the final decision...but no....


  
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