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Docking of Dogs and Dog codes of welfare
Sep 22nd, 2018 at 11:58am
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I have just noticed that the docking of dogs tails becomes illegal in nz on 1 October , Well that is the end of an era , my next Springer will have a long fluffy tail , not something I worry about but I am glad I dont own a Vizsla or GSP and hunt in cutty grass areas .
There is a bit on the net about it , this article amongst others
https://www.vshb.co.nz/articles/article/75/tail-docking-and-other-legislation-up...

While looking at the web for more information I found this PDF on dog codes of welfare , which isnt absolutly up to date but may be of use to new dog owners or those about to breed their dog click on this and it will automatically† download the PDF , at the bottom of your page
https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/1428/loggedIn
  

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Re: Docking of Dogs and Dog codes of welfare
Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 4:15pm
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Can a vet still do it? Or is it totally illegal?
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 6:05am
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I thought it had been banned years ago and only kennel club members could get it done.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:16am
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it was put under the control of the nzkc and the council of docked breeds, vets even pro docking ones can only do it once it is damaged and requires a full amputation.
MPI have just been given the powers to take it through the courts, under the old system the only way to police it was through the spca taking people to court.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:39am
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Maybe Iím ignorant but I canít for the life of me understand why people got it done.
Dogs communicate with their tails....
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 9:18am
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Maddoghunter wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:39am:
Maybe Iím ignorant but I canít for the life of me understand why people got it done.
Dogs communicate with their tails....


And balance and swim...

  

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Reply #6 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 9:28am
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Maddoghunter wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:39am:
Maybe Iím ignorant but I canít for the life of me understand why people got it done.
Dogs communicate with their tails....


There is a practical reason ,Short haired hunting dogs like Pointers , Vizla's GSP's etc with long skinny whiplike tails have problems with tail damage , I had a Pointer ( English) ,a breed which isn't traditionally docked , when I lived in Kaitaia , one day of pheasant shooting in the pines or manuka the tail would be hurt by being knocked against trees etc and† almost shaved by contact with pampas grass and scrub, after 2 days the tail would be raw in patches and bleeding , 3 days was too much for her and me† . I had to restrict her to open country , finally I sold her , the only dog I haven't kept to old age .
Because these breeds have been docked since they have been developed ,heavy strong tails like the Labrador hasn't been part of the breed development .
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 1:52pm
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docked for a reason, tail damage is real... at least for some hunting breeds and stock breeds it has no effect on balance or the ability to swim.
posture is how dogs communicate.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 5:45am
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Kawhia wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 1:52pm:
docked for a reason, tail damage is real... at least for some hunting breeds and stock breeds it has no effect on balance or the ability to swim.
posture is how dogs communicate.


Show me a dog who can swim without a tail and I'll show you one who swims better with a tail.
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 6:32am
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My dogs got a docked tail, she swims fine if I had a pic of her swimming Iíd put it up
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 9:28am
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fat ninja wrote on Sep 24th, 2018 at 6:32am:
My dogs got a docked tail, she swims fine if I had a pic of her swimming Iíd put it up


Yeah I am sure she does, point I am making is she'd swim even better with one.


  

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Re: Docking of Dogs and Dog codes of welfare
Reply #11 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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Ha!!! Kennel clubs were most of the problem. Look at what they have done to poor mutts in 'their' (not the dogs) quest for a certain look or visual appeal.

Leave the dog as it was born (less the breeding gear if necessary). 

fletty wrote on Sep 23rd, 2018 at 6:05am:
I thought it had been banned years ago and only kennel club members could get it done.

  
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Re: Docking of Dogs and Dog codes of welfare
Reply #12 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 9:42am
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Why leave the breeding bits.... is that not also tampering with how they were born to suit what suits us...

As itís a hunting forum, for some working gundogs breeds it is a valid procedure.
It was a huge win for the greenies and only a start to the way we enjoy our outdoor pursuits and not just dog related.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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Wouldnt bother me if my wire had a tail, I would probably spend even more time picking knocked over things up behind the lanky bastard though
  
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Re: Docking of Dogs and Dog codes of welfare
Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2018 at 9:27pm
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More danger the enemy within.   Divide and conquer, just how the anti's won this one too.
  
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