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Remington 700 halfcock
Sep 19th, 2018 at 8:12pm
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Looking into buying a remington 700 as a action to build on and was just wonder if anyone had any pictures or videos they could post of the halfcock modification on these?

I have heard some gunsmith's refuse to do the mod, what is the reasoning behind this?  Any info on the cons of the half ccock mod on the 700's?

I am pretty set on the 700 action and will be upgrading the trigger to a timney 510. the safety on this should be more than reliable in the hot moments but halfcock seems to be another step to ensure abit more safety on the hill..

Dont want to stir up a debate about when or how to load your rifle while stalking this has been done to death on this site already.. hope someone with a remington 700 can vlear this up cheers.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 9:57pm
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If you are in the lead or are by yourself, why not simply rely on the safety catch as the manufacturer recommends?  Take ordinary good care of course, no need to invalidate the factory warranty then by altering your rifle action!

I guess by 'half co*k' you re referring to a slight engagement of the locking lugs with the bolt fully forward and the bolt handle left almost entirely in the "up" position.  That works on my M700 and on an old M722 I have.  Strictly, this does not follow the NZMSC-recommended "half open bolt" with a centimetre of cartridge showing, but on a co*k on closing action I reckon it is nigh-on impossible to close the bolt silently anyhow in this mode.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #2 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:08am
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I fully agree with the gunsmith, the engineers who designed that action most likely designed it to be carried loaded and with the safety on. If you are of the opinion that your engineering knowledge, as applied to firearms, is greater than the designers, then by all means consider a modification to the action.
It is also quite likely that the design is subject to failure, this is very apparent in the British 303 the smle, the safety is not to an acceptable for sporting purposes, it fails, and it is difficult to use.
Fortunately the design has a sticky point where the case firms up in its passage into the chamber, sufficient to hold the bolt, and bullet in a safe location.
This is a semi loaded state and has become known as the "halfcock" and when most hunters were taught and tested with the smle 303 as the main common rifle the instructors insisted the halfcock idea was used.
I am in partial agreement with them as far as the smle goes but feel that the gun designers have a better idea than most people.
This subject has been discussed a number of times and opinions differ.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #3 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:01am
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noelfj wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:08am:
I fully agree with the gunsmith, the engineers who designed that action most likely designed it to be carried loaded and with the safety on...

I disagree with that statement, the engineers most likely designed it to be carried unloaded
But I totally agree with listening to the gunsmith
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #4 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:35am
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Cigar,

Perhaps I should define the word "Carried".

I do not mean to carry it loaded
from the shop to home
from home to the car
in the car
when walking about
when in rough stuff
when you met a policeman
when you are just about to stalk
But in the final stalk
when taking a shot
and so on and so forth
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #5 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:57am
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Don't be set on the 700 action, they are pretty agricultural imo, spend a fair bit of $ to make them as good as other manufacturers are straight out of the box....
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #6 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 12:07pm
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Cigar wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:01am:
noelfj wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:08am:
I fully agree with the gunsmith, the engineers who designed that action most likely designed it to be carried loaded and with the safety on...

I disagree with that statement, the engineers most likely designed it to be carried unloaded
But I totally agree with listening to the gunsmith


When I worked for the Rem agents I asked the head design engineer about developing a "half co*k" for Rems , he asked "Why would any one want that ? that is what the safety is for " and there was no way that Rem would put in a ˝ co*k .
That was before  the recent litigation.
The 700 rifle inc action and trigger was designed by Mike Walker , an engineer and designer  ,not engineers
  

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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #7 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 11:20pm
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Thanks for the advice guys I hope to hear more from other well knowledged shooters on the forum..

I have read in the past about the Remington x triggers being recalled for safety defects and hence why I mentioned the timney 510 which should be more reliable but none the less I would test any trigger/safety catch before relying on it in a stalking situation.

I know alot of sako,tikka and ruger owners swear by them but information on the Remington has been hit and miss.

As for working with another action rugersst, I am open to idea's but I am quite set on the remington design as the options for aftermarket parts are endless so would still like to know in regards to safety.

I have looked into actions such as the stiller, razor ti, bernards but the cost is astronomical compared to Remington 700 even after I spend the money on blue printing and other upgrades.. and I dont have to deal with the paperwork and wait.. any other options I have missed would be helpful? Not too keen on magazines and prefer the BDL design.



  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 7:58am
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You could course, use a smle action to do a rebuild, I can supply you with details of a proper safety arrange.
My safety adaption requires a small modification to the sear arrangement and some additional parts, it provides a stop for the sear lever and works well except that it is on the wrong side.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:39pm
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Remington 700s do go off when safety taken off.
I know from experiencing it.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 11:28am
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The big problem with the Walker designed trigger on the Rem rifles is that it is easily adjusted by any one with a small bladed screwdriver , If your rifle is firing when the safety is let off then the trigger needs fixing , there is alot of advice on the net on how to do this .
In saying that , I have  a 700 which,  from new, went off when the safety was disengaged , I discovered a small piece of the foam packing in the box had broken off and was wedged in the trigger , so I guess bits of bush crud could have the same effect
  

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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #11 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 1:12pm
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Flintlock wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 11:28am:
The big problem with the Walker designed trigger on the Rem rifles is that it is easily adjusted by any one with a small bladed screwdriver , If your rifle is firing when the safety is let off then the trigger needs fixing , there is alot of advice on the net on how to do this .
In saying that , I have  a 700 which,  from new, went off when the safety was disengaged , I discovered a small piece of the foam packing in the box had broken off and was wedged in the trigger , so I guess bits of bush crud could have the same effect

I had one go off caused by an unburnt kernel of powder in the mechanism, Lack of maintenance is the main cause of AD's  Rem 700 triggers are no better or worse than any other triggers if adjusted properly and maintained, many after market triggers are copies of Remingtons but nobody takes their manufacturers to court when they fail.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #12 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 5:51am
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i got Dean Maisey to do my 700 half co*k, very positive and silent to close when pushing forward on the bolt when closing.
  
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Re: Remington 700 halfcock
Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 11:16pm
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Raydafish could please provide some images or video to show this? I plan on using Dean also he has built a soild reputation of workmanship but would also like to see if it is worth the modification
  
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