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gonehuntin Forum Font Online I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1989 Location: Lost Joined: Nov 23^rd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #255 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 7:30am	Print Post
	SF90 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 7:06am: i_e wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 6:50am: In Aussie the have the Sporting Shooters Assn. , And being a member is one of the legitimate reasons for firearms ownership. This was done after the gun buy back and at the time caused much angst amongst weapons owners that you had to join or get a letter from a property owners as your legitimate reason ... What it ended up creating was a monster political lobby group with 190,000 members and over $20 000 000.00 in earnings each year !! When push comes to shove they have a lot of power and certainty win consesions from government and keep the anti gun lobby( eg Greens) accountable for there constant misinformation campaign !! Bugger me - that almost sounds like a plan ................ Just gotta get 'gonehuntin' on board now - shouldn't be hard righto follow aussie with their gun laws and ill agree to a sporting shooters group. never liked semis, and a stand down period buying guns would stop me leaving the hunting shop with a new rifle when I only went in for ammo


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i_e Forum Senior Offline Posts: 933 Location: Marlborough Joined: Apr 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #256 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 8:39am	Print Post
	Never said anything about copying the Australian laws Gonehunting I was just pointing out how an unpopular side effect of those laws produced an unexpectedly great outcome . I’m sure had the powers at be known what they were creating with making shooters join this assn., they would have done it differently ! It’s a very strong group and every time either the Greens or there little socialist buddy’s at the Coalition for Gun Control come out with misleading statements they get ( very publicly) shot down in flames .. This organization represents all shooters ( hunters and target ) and fights the battles that need attention at that time .. whether that be hunting restrictions or the banning of certain types of pistols etc

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Rumpy Donor Member Offline Wishing I was out in the hills. Posts: 1226 Location: Geraldine Joined: Feb 19^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #257 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 10:22am	Print Post
	i_e wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 8:39am: Never said anything about copying the Australian laws Gonehunting I was just pointing out how an unpopular side effect of those laws produced an unexpectedly great outcome . I’m sure had the powers at be known what they were creating with making shooters join this assn., they would have done it differently ! It’s a very strong group and every time either the Greens or there little socialist buddy’s at the Coalition for Gun Control come out with misleading statements they get ( very publicly) shot down in flames .. This organization represents all shooters ( hunters and target ) and fights the battles that need attention at that time .. whether that be hunting restrictions or the banning of certain types of pistols etc I think this is where the NZDA loses out in the actual name of the organization. A lot of people probably think it's just for hunters. Something like COLFO probably covers all firearms owners better but then not as interested in animal/herd management. And then there's the side saying we should all support GAC but they seem to be controlled by the minister so any financial contribution is just paying the government to shaft us. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just confused about how it works.

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Alan Administrator Donor Member Staff Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 4903 Location: Turangi Joined: Nov 5^th, 2006	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #258 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 10:55am	Print Post
	XRhunter wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 12:35am: Bear in mind how the minutia of DoC's internal workings are stacked against Hunters. Even if a political party that was pro hunters won the next election the pro hunter Minister of Conservation would be stymied at every turn by the senior layer of career conversationalists (my spelling ) that inhabit the dark reaches of that organisation. As far back as its inception (1987) they have worked hard to ensure their ultimate goal is pre human inhabitation for as much of the conservation estate as they can muster. They even managed to have the original name for the department changed, from Ministry of Conservation and Recreation, to just Conservation. They wanted to be beholden to no one. Now legislation has made a rod for their own back just a wee bit, but make no mistake, if they managed to get hold of Hunter provided funds, they would re-purpose them in a heartbeat. A cleanout of the career rank and file would be of assistance, but more importantly would be some way to leverage changes in legislation. And Councils and other such hunter representations will not be able to manage that. For that to occur you need a political party heavily on your side Thats how we at the Outdoors party see it...we will look to completely change the culture at doc..the place needs a good gutting...

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huntnfish Forum Font Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1020 Location: Waikato, near Taupo Joined: Sep 10^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #259 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 11:29am	Print Post
	Yes

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bowmad Full Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 101 Location: blenheim Joined: Jun 29^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #260 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	Rumpy wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 10:22am: I think this is where the NZDA loses out in the actual name of the organization. A lot of people probably think it's just for hunters. Something like COLFO probably covers all firearms owners better but then not as interested in animal/herd management. I agree, also I belong to 2 other national organisations and the NZDA fee of $100 is going to put some off, there is an associate member fee but no explanation of what this is. Very confusing web site NZDA. An organisation is essential but is it NZDA? At the moment my money is with Tahr group until someone or some organisation steps up.


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huntnfish Forum Font Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1020 Location: Waikato, near Taupo Joined: Sep 10^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #261 - Oct 12^th, 2018 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	There are problems to be wary of with old, new or proposed groups. Any specific political alignment will alienate a percentage of potential members. Policies that forbid members from proffessional meat hunting will lock out some. The NZDA policy of supporting the use of 1080 poison will deter many. There are two distinct issues ; one being the right to own firearms, whether for recreational hunting or other shooting (target) sports; the other for establishing and protecting game herds as managed assets. In amongst this are sport /local specific groups such as NRA and NZCTA, LNIRDf, SIKA foundation etc, Wapiti and Tahr foundations. Each of these have specific statements of purpose and rules. Then there are the several "conservation" groups, Forest and Bird being the most extreme example. I don't know the constitution and rules of SSANZ, but the name alone sounds like a possible coalition start point to me, and lets face it, a formal coalition may be the sensible way forward.

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Apple Active Member Offline New Zealand's Hunting and Fishing Forum Posts: 69 Location: White Island Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2018	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #262 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:12am	Print Post
	Ssanz? What’s that.?


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i_e Forum Senior Offline Posts: 933 Location: Marlborough Joined: Apr 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #263 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 7:25am	Print Post
	Apple wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:12am: Ssanz? What’s that.? Sporting Shooters Association New Zealand ??

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huntnfish Forum Font Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1020 Location: Waikato, near Taupo Joined: Sep 10^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #264 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:57am	Print Post
	Yes. Although there is another registeredorganisation with hunters, trappers and conservation values all within it's constitution. I definitely feel a strong coalition of groups is the way to get a fearsomely strong lobby that gov't could not play silly buggers against. Each group would support the core group financially and with necessary information, and an exec of each group would be part of the exec of the core group. Thus all participating groups interests would be represented, and the agreed common aims would become focal objectives. The structure would in itself provide a sustained working fund and would have no controls by government other than the rules governing companies or societies. Such a structure would not prevent the member groups from continuing to advocate their own objectives independently either.

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Apple Active Member Offline New Zealand's Hunting and Fishing Forum Posts: 69 Location: White Island Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2018	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #265 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 9:40am	Print Post
	huntnfish wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:57am: Yes. Although there is another registeredorganisation with hunters, trappers and conservation values all within it's constitution. I definitely feel a strong coalition of groups is the way to get a fearsomely strong lobby that gov't could not play silly buggers against. Each group would support the core group financially and with necessary information, and an exec of each group would be part of the exec of the core group. Thus all participating groups interests would be represented, and the agreed common aims would become focal objectives. The structure would in itself provide a sustained working fund and would have no controls by government other than the rules governing companies or societies. Such a structure would not prevent the member groups from continuing to advocate their own objectives independently either. In short, everyone needs to work together, or as one. Age old saying, together we stand divided we fall.!


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SF90 Donor Member Offline I Love The FishNhunt Forum Posts: 1306 Joined: Jul 14^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #266 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Apple wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 9:40am: huntnfish wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:57am: Yes. Although there is another registeredorganisation with hunters, trappers and conservation values all within it's constitution. I definitely feel a strong coalition of groups is the way to get a fearsomely strong lobby that gov't could not play silly buggers against. Each group would support the core group financially and with necessary information, and an exec of each group would be part of the exec of the core group. Thus all participating groups interests would be represented, and the agreed common aims would become focal objectives. The structure would in itself provide a sustained working fund and would have no controls by government other than the rules governing companies or societies. Such a structure would not prevent the member groups from continuing to advocate their own objectives independently either. In short, everyone needs to work together, or as one. Age old saying, together we stand divided we fall.! You hit the nail on the head right there mate. I don't know what groups are out there nor what membership they can call on, but for me it's the NZDA because they are already involved - and have a history of doing so. Growing their numbers will give them more authority - a bigger voice. I like what 'huntnfish' says too - a strong coalition of groups supporting a core group. Our hunting is under threat like never before and I strongly believe that everyone who cares about such things should voluntarily join a group of their choice before your options are taken away from you.


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Huntdeepsouth Just Joined Offline New Zealand's Hunting and Fishing Forum Posts: 29 Location: Southland Joined: Nov 24^th, 2016 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #267 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 6:26pm	Print Post
	start at the top with the gac, then filter down to fwf, managing wapiti, thar interest group managing thar, nzda managing red, fallow and white tail deer. then you have to find a place for waro, hunting guides,1080,possums,goats,pigs,sambar and rusa, then the worst bit trying to get all hunters to agree.


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BC Donor Member Offline Posts: 7187 Location: Wellington Joined: Mar 24^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #268 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	Its a shame so few understand the positive role of a well supported and funded GAC. http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0098/latest/DLM4105024.html

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Salmoner Donor Member Offline I love salmon fishin Posts: 3623 Location: Darfield Joined: Feb 19^th, 2008 Gender:	Re: Tahr eradication proposed by the minister Reply #269 - Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	SF90 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 10:11am: Apple wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 9:40am: huntnfish wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:57am: Yes. Although there is another registeredorganisation with hunters, trappers and conservation values all within it's constitution. I definitely feel a strong coalition of groups is the way to get a fearsomely strong lobby that gov't could not play silly buggers against. Each group would support the core group financially and with necessary information, and an exec of each group would be part of the exec of the core group. Thus all participating groups interests would be represented, and the agreed common aims would become focal objectives. The structure would in itself provide a sustained working fund and would have no controls by government other than the rules governing companies or societies. Such a structure would not prevent the member groups from continuing to advocate their own objectives independently either. In short, everyone needs to work together, or as one. Age old saying, together we stand divided we fall.! You hit the nail on the head right there mate. I don't know what groups are out there nor what membership they can call on, but for me it's the NZDA because they are already involved - and have a history of doing so. Growing their numbers will give them more authority - a bigger voice. I like what 'huntnfish' says too - a strong coalition of groups supporting a core group. Our hunting is under threat like never before and I strongly believe that everyone who cares about such things should voluntarily join a group of their choice before your options are taken away from you. A few years ago tahr numbers were reported as being 1000 to 1500 animals left after WARO had a good crack at them.


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