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Poll Question: If it was possible to aerially dispense 1080 and 100% guarantee no by-kill of any game or farm animal, would you be OK with aerial1080 operations?

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« Created by: Davey H on: Sep 13th, 2018 at 5:58pm »
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What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Sep 13th, 2018 at 5:58pm
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This is an attempt to find out if the main concern over aerial 1080 drops is the by-kill of our game animals, dogs and farm stock.  I just want you to imagine if it was possible to drop 1080 and NOT kill the animals we love, how would you then feel about it?  I'm not a fan of it myself but my reasons why may be different to yours.  Cheers all.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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I'd like to see it gone altogether - it's a filthy way to kill birds, animals and all the crawly things.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:27pm
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Plain and simple, I do not agree with it.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:39pm
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The biggest thing that gets me about the stuff is all the complete rubbish spouted by both sides.
If doc were honest and transparent about it it’d help, but the can’t help themselves but to put spin on it.
“Without 1080 it’ll be goodbye to our native birds” Yeah whatever. Kokako was saved by ground control.
“1080 is the only viable method of doing pest control is rugged inaccessible terrain”, then when asked why they don’t use it in Te Urewera, and there such plenty of birds in there they say “the rugged and inaccessible terrain of Te Urewera have made it difficult for predators to get in there”.
What a bunch of dicks!
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #4 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm
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Trapping can do the job with virtually no risks and will be target specific and provide socio economic benifits. At $60 + per hectare being paid for 1080 drops, transfer that money to trapping, employ plenty and have a clean country and clean water.
  

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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm
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huntnfish wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Trapping can do the job with virtually no risks and will be target specific and provide socio economic benifits. At $60 + per hectare being paid for 1080 drops, transfer that money to trapping, employ plenty and have a clean country and clean water.

Problem there is that they don’t teach commonsense in university.
They teach that trapping cost $3000/ha.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:33pm
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I read online that the global 1080 producer has shut down. I was recently tood that the NZ GOVT bought and paid for the 1080 patent.

Anyone know anything about that ?
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:57pm
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I would be all for removing all vta's that leave a toxic carcass or require a buffer zone for harvesting game. I think its bulls**t that farmers and councils can spread tons of crap around that renders wild game usless/risky to unsuspecting neighbours that dont even need consulting or notification. at least doc have to notify

however currently the only issue I have with aerial 1080 is its overuse, ive got no problems with it been used in the backcountry where accessability is an issue as if your gunna have to chopper load after load of trappers and supplies ya may aswell just fly 1080 on.  the front country and easy walk/ drive access should be trapped tho.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:21pm
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Doc staff and all members of the serving govt (directly involved or not) and all the involved contractors should have to agree to having 1080 in their own household water supplies for the duration ( material assembly, delivery and non toxicity breakdown time ) of the 1080 operation.

Wide spread careless and callous use of a poison banned everywhere else.

Clean green NZ? yeah right.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:35pm
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A friend put  a call into Tull chemicals in Alabama couple of days ago. The phone there still works.
  

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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:02am
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Ask the kea to vote.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #11 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:33am
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Maddoghunter wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
huntnfish wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Trapping can do the job with virtually no risks and will be target specific and provide socio economic benifits. At $60 + per hectare being paid for 1080 drops, transfer that money to trapping, employ plenty and have a clean country and clean water.

Problem there is that they don’t teach commonsense in university.
They teach that trapping cost $3000/ha.


I have never seen a trapper trap shitty wet guts and side creeks or bare ridges.


gonehuntin wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
I would be all for removing all vta's that leave a toxic carcass or require a buffer zone for harvesting game. I think its bulls**t that farmers and councils can spread tons of crap around that renders wild game usless/risky to unsuspecting neighbours that dont even need consulting or notification. at least doc have to notify


There has never been a case of secondary poisoning in humans and plenty of people still hunt poison zones.

I get sick of hearing of all the Tuis and bellbirds that are killed by 1080

If it didn't kill deer and dogs most hunters wouldn't give a shit about it.

I don't use the stuff anymore but it has a place.
Instead of a few guys banging on about you can trap every where go for it and try it and see how viable it is for you to live in the bush and trap for 12 months of the year and for fun try employing staff as well. Yes it is a hassle to get all the paperwork correct for DoC/regional council but aerial jobs have to the same if not more paperwork.



  

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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:55am
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Thanks everybody, results so far are interesting.  The survey is about WHY many do not like 1080 - MadDogHunter I agree - there is an awful lot of spin by both sides.  Keep on voting and stay on topic please.

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Reply #13 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:15am
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It's illegal.  It causes undue suffering and pain.
  
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Re: What If 1080 did not kill game or farm animals
Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:48pm
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Ashman just curious what you have seen I have seen a couple of dogs die from 1080 the research papers on dogs reckoned the howling was  the throat spasmming and tightening the vocal cords with air going past made it seem like it was voluntary howl rather than an involuntary spasm  but the deer and possums have looked like they have the flu and just want to go somewhere warm to curl up and die.
  

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