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what type of bullet
Jul 30th, 2018 at 10:54am
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Am looking into getting a Lyman 50 cal. from shop in Lower Hutt. Reading about what is the best bullet for this calibre - 48 twist. Read that soft rounds are very capable for Deer. What have others found to be ideal for this rifle?
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 10:15pm
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Can't help you with a fifty - I don't think I ever owned one.

I do have a .45 with 1:20" twist I shot 480+ grain solid base projectiles I hollow pointed out of - and that was effective on deer. I had one of those bullets go in the point of the shoulder on a good size Rimutaka hind - and exit the opposite rear ham - it swung around as I fired.
That gun will also shoot the Gould HP bullet - and that has been a very good bullet in that muzzleloader, plus my 45-70 cartridge gun
I actually won a BP competition with that 1:20" gun.

I also got a .54 cal 1:66 twist I shoot Lyman 533476 Minie balls out of. I hollow point them too and paper patch to a light friction fit in the bore over 80 grs Goex FFg.
Those minies shoot as well as the ball out to 100 yards - (3 1/2" five shot group) - one I dug out the dirt had flattened out to 27mm diameter.
Went to the Minie because balls I dug out at the range showed minimal expansion.
Haven't shot anything with that.

Also got a .58 cal Enfield Musketoon with a replacement slow twist barrel - 1:78".
I shoot a home made (mould) solid base bullet out of that I also paper patch and hollow pointed.
I lost my notes for that, but I remember it shoots well.
Prior to that bullet I shot a PP'd Minie (HP) and that was probably the best killing bullet I ever used out of an ML.

Current toy is a .577 Snider I'm trying to get shooting.
That's a 1:48" twist and shoots the round ball quite well - four shots under 2" at fifty yards with one flyer 85mm away.
That's a 325 grain soft .600" ball over 75 grns homemade FF powder.
I do want to shoot a Minie out of that and have played with a number of moulds that haven't work too well. It will shoot conicals quite well, but only with light powder charges - 45 grs FF homemade.
It's quite a light gun - 6 3/4 lbs and recoil was getting a bit stiff with those heavy bullets looking for the next 'accurate load'.

Your fifty should shoot both ball and conicals - and either should be fine for hunting. Just depends on which you get the better accuracy with.

I do like the heavier weight with elongated bullets, especially with a hollow point either 3 or 6mm deep. In my .54 cal I hollow point 9mm deep (with 4 or 5mm drill in lathe) and they don't require high velocity to flatten out.
The heavier weight helps that mushroomed bullet to continue penetrating and I don't recall finding any of those bullets inside a deer - they all passed through.
I also modify my moulds to give a good metplat before HP'ing.

Don't really know if that helps you - with luck 'Flintlock' will hop on - I think he has a fifty and will likely have different thoughts on what's worked best with him.


  
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Re: what type of bullet
Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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Lyman Trade Rifle is normally used with a Patched round ball. I`d look at .490 or .495 round ball. Ticking patch (buy it by the meter from a draper). 70- 100 grains of FF black powder.
The 1-48 twist will stabilise Round Balls and conical bullets.
Have a look on Track of the Wolf and Dixie Gunworks for moulds, flints and such. Usually a hell of a lot cheaper buying from the U.S than getting here. I`d also look at what it would cost to get either of the above to send you out the rifle. If I remember correctly it was about $150 to get a rifle sent out. These are not classified as firearms in the U.S so Dixie and Wolf will send them out. Just need a import permit from your Arms officer.
  
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Re: what type of bullet
Reply #3 - Jul 31st, 2018 at 1:12pm
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For me 1/48 is a fast twist . I ,now , only use round ball rifles and muskets . I am highly allergic to lead fumes so I buy swaged round balls , I shoot .495 balls in.50 rifles with round bottom rifling and .490 in square cut rifling .
Your 1/48" twist Lyman is made for the US black powder hunting seasons  and should shoot conicals better than round balls , the Lyman Plains bullet would be my 1st choice with the Lyman Maxi ball 2nd . Cast the bullets in pure lead and you will find they work just fine on deer . With the conicals there is less risk of setting the country alight with a smouldering patch . Wink

  

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