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Low light scopes?
Jul 20th, 2018 at 7:21am
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So my current rig is not really cutting the mustard.
Are there any brands that are renowned for performance in low light conditions.
Is this where Hd glass is essential?
Looking at spending 1500 ish maybe a little more.
3-15 3-18 4-16.anything in that range.
In guessing that there will be the usual suspects in there leupold, zeiss, swarsovski. Any others worth looking at?
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 1:06pm
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I'm working through a new purchase myself....trying to decide if I want illumination or not which would have to be an advantage in low light.

Have you had a look at the Trijicon Accupoint range....the primary advantage from what I can see is battery free illumination, good glass and not too much weight. Might be worth a look.

I've yet to look through one myself so I can't comment beyond what some web based research has turned up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ6ATCv9Zs

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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #2 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 12:02pm
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Cheers Mitch. They look ok but without looking through one I would bea bit dubious about purchasing one.
At this stage am looking at vx6 with fire dot (not HD). Vx5HD fire dot or a zeiss hd5.
I suppose the other one to look at would be a vortexviper pst.
Anyone got an opinion on vx6 not HD vs can HD and how does vortex compare to leupold.
The other bonus of the zeiss for me is a1" tube which means sticking with the original rings I have
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:32am
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I have leica  10x binoculars a swaroski z6i and a leupold vx6 not hd
On an early morning hunt I could see deer with my binos but not with the vx6 and they dissapeared into the bush before shooting light for the vx6
Next trip took the z6 and could see deer with the binos and also the z6 = dead deer.
All that said the vx6 and vx5 are now hd and claimed to have better low light abillities which I would like to put to the test
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 9:55am
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I have a Z6i, VX6 HD and an NXS and the Swaro is by far the best in low light conditions. I can easily see animals through that when I can’t see them at all with the naked eye. The others are good, but not as good, at least to my eyes.

Seeing animals is one thing, but getting the cross hairs on them in low light is another. All of my scopes are now illuminated for that reason.

The Z5 sounds ideal for your purposes, but the lack of illumination could be an issue. I’ve never used one, so perhaps someone who has can offer advice.
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 12:23pm
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As well as lens coatings and HD glass the other things to consider are objective size and exit pupil. The bigger the objective the more light is collected. You see a lot of 56mm objectives in Europe where they do a lot of high stand, late evening shooting.
The bigger the exit pupil the more light available to your eye.
Exit pupil is Objective diameter in mm divide by magnification. Your eye has a pupil diameter or about 7mm so anything bigger than that won't give any advantage.
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:02am
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I've got a number of , high end scopes, best light gathering is my Z6i 2x12 x52, Z5 is 52 mill objective is very good and the Z5 3x18x44 on my 6x45 is just a touch less bright, all are far ahead of the Leopold's, Bushnell's, March and Nikons I have.
Z3 in 2x12x50 is not bad especially for the price, and I give a big plus to the Lecia er in 2.5x10x42, its a bit below the power range you requested.
I think that to really gather low light a 50mm plus objective scope, with high end glass and coatings is were its at,
also don't get to fine reticle either, illumined is ok, but battery's need to be checked, and easy on sum scopes to bump on during handling and transportation.
Buy the best you can afford, I got both my Z6 swarvo used, so that helped keep the price down a bit.
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 11:15am
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Is the van the only one in this kind of range that is illuminated?
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:33pm
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There was a comparison done somewhere on forum a while ago, I'll see if I can find it
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 7:36am
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canadakiwi wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:02am:
I've got a number of , high end scopes, best light gathering is my Z6i 2x12 x52, Z5 is 52 mill objective is very good and the Z5 3x18x44 on my 6x45 is just a touch less bright, all are far ahead of the Leopold's, Bushnell's, March and Nikons I have.
Z3 in 2x12x50 is not bad especially for the price, ...


The Z3 you probably mean 4-12, they're a 3X zoom ratio.

Agree about the Swaros. Through my Z5, I can clearly see deer when the light has faded to a point were I can't make them out at all with my naked eye
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 28th, 2018 at 5:39pm
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Any one had experience with the new V4 from zeiss?
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2018 at 8:21am
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As you say, are there any other brands I should look at.

What about a Vixen? Do a bit of research on them.... its hard to find anything much about their rifle scopes but plenty on their binos and celestial scopes.

I have one that is their V111 series in 2.5 to 15 x 50 its an illuminated reticle type as well.

Never really been around it with any high end scopes, best comparison I can give is from Woodhill, while looking at deer I could determine that they be Does, my companion could barely determine they were deer. Right on dark time.
  
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Re: Low light scopes?
Reply #13 - Oct 4th, 2018 at 1:59am
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I would have a lookout for anything Austrian/German or Czech with fixed magnification (as it seems that the popularity for fixed scopes is dropping - lower price?) i.e. 7x50, 8x56.

The theory is that there´s fewer lenses in a fixed scope which will lose less light through the scope. (the two coated sides of every lens will transmit less light than no lens at all  Cool)

The problem is that every scope manufacturer express transmission in different ways so you have to compare scopes at night by yourself. If a manufacturer claims 95% light transmission, he better measure that through all lenses and not through just one lens (which happens).

http://www.opticstalk.com/rifle-scopes-light-gathering_topic26487.html

There´s a lot that will affect the light transmission, objective size, magnification,  number of lenses, coating, design (all the way from objective to ocular).

That said, if you´re using only one scope, it has to be something variable with 50 mm objective (56 may be too big and bulky). If not illuminated, go with a german no. 4 reticle.

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