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How versatile is versatile
Jul 12th, 2018 at 1:08pm
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After years since we last had a pooch pressure is coming on from the family to get one - my condition having grown up with working dogs it has got to be somewhat useful. Have had labs for duck shooting and small game but interested on a pooch I can take out after deer etc so doing some reading up into what is involved.

Wondering anyone has had luck training one of the more versatile breeds to be able to sniff out coons, rabbits, wallabies etc when out for a casual walk and still be able to keep them disciplined enough to be useful when out in the hills after deer and pigs? Or is this just going to lead to a world of frustration/confusion with them tearing off after every possum scent they encounter?
  
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Re: How versatile is versatile
Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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interesting question,here is my thoughts on it having gone down both paths.....
IF you have rock solid no B.S. stop,come,leave on any dog it can be usefull companion in the bush no matter what you are doing..... if you want an indicating deer for deer and pigs you making life hard for yourself by letting them CHASE ANYTHING and avoiding non target species is easier if they know they are off the menu.
eg my current bitch is my duck dog and has indicated both deer and pigs ,she is not allowed near possums,to chase rabbits,hares or wallabies. she can walk along with us and show me where dead one is if I ask her to but otherwise must stay at heal or within the 10 yard "ring".
its great when that nose gets all a twitching to be 90% sure its a deer or pig dog is leading you into and not some smelly old coon....
if you want them do do it all then the deer thing will be diferent and you will have to do the finding and let dog help out after the shot sort of thing.....still great to have dog around for that but let me tell you its a plurry awesome thing to have one who will find the deer for you.
  
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Re: How versatile is versatile
Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:22pm
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I had a great lab that I used mostly for deer, but also hares, rabbits, pheasants, partridges, ducks, geese and wood pigeons. He was a really keen worker and switched from one type of game to another with no problems. He definitely knew the difference between a rifle and a shotgun and behaved differently from the moment I took one or another from the gun cabinet. He was a house dog too.

So, yes, I think itís possible. I donít see why a pointer of some sort couldnít do the same. Basic commands and solid control should allow you to handle a dog whatever you are after.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2018 at 9:18pm
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Depends on training but most dogs can be versitile enough for whatever you want them to do.

Currently my dog is used to indicate big game, deer chamois etc - retrieve ducks, geese etc from a maimai - hunt point retrieve quail and rabbits. It is also a working detection dog on weekends. Each task is approached differently and the dog knows what is expected. Takes a lot of commitment and training to get to that stage though

Also a house pet at night with the missus Wink
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2018 at 5:49pm
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Agree with most all of the above but everything is a compromise and unless you are willing to put in the time to train the dog in all the different aspects you want it for, think 3x the normal training time and probably a less than perfect dog for any of the disciplines. That doesn't worry a lot of folks but I'd prefer the dog to excel at the chosen task. Horses for courses? Versatiles tend to do 'ok' at everything within limits (that's the versatile part) but put them against a dedicated breed that's been trained well and the shortcomings are fairly apparent.
  
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Re: How versatile is versatile
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Iím currently training my finder/bailer Pig dog to indicate deer.
A solid stop command is essential. Iím finding that after years of the dog being taught/allowed to range out looking for scent and then being allowed to chase the Pig without my say so itís a bit of an ask to expect him to stand and wait for me.
Heís picking it up slowly. He knows if itís just me and him in deer country he has to stay close, but doesnít have the required steadyness yet. Likewise if we have the other dog and weíre in Pig country heíll range out and wonít chase deer.
I figure when heís too old and stuffed for pigs he might still be handy for deer. 😊
  
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