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Reply #105 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 10:00am
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Its not a truth until its accepted as being true. And that takes veracity. Theses suppositions and anecdotes need to be validated and proven - then they might become plausible and accepted as truth.

At least until we hear the contra argument. And so it will go on.
  

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Re: Orange Fronted Kakariki
Reply #106 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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Somewhat agree BC; however :accepted" depends on who one is referring to. Bureaucracies, as an example, will resist change when even truth does not suit them.
Regardless, within this subjects context, many are working very diligently to expose truths as well as lies.
As you say; "it goes on".
But, in saying that, the master of the "half truth" is the most devious and manipulative  of all, and that tactic is common in history.
  

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Reply #107 - Sep 6th, 2018 at 2:13pm
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That 'quest for truth' is one of the enjoyable parts of the forum. An argument in the classical sense where its about getting to the facts of a matter, not winning or losing, or about the people. Good fun to disagree, in good faith, not so much to be disagreeable.
  

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Re: Orange Fronted Kakariki
Reply #108 - Sep 7th, 2018 at 8:47am
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huntnfish wrote on Aug 30th, 2018 at 9:45am:
I think the spirit of intent of this type of forum is intended to allow free comment from people of many temperaments, including the shy ones; hence the nicknames. On balance I think each member has a choice.
The issue of politics or similar can lead to interference of several types by business and government and includes some pretty nasty stuff at times. The opposite to this is the reaction from individuals or small groups or small ngo's who do not have the same degree of influence with "the seats of power" or the media which is influenced by advertising revenue and who can feel unfairly ignored, put down, or disadvantaged within debates. Within issues as serious as some discussed on here it is a fact that "the little guys" have to put in a massive amount of time and effort in order to prove their points, usually after months of frustration in trying to extract truths from large gov't dept's or gov't allied NGO's. This effort is generally much larger than the oft glib responses from spin doctors within those gov't departments, or from others who regard such discussions as a sport. I realise there is more to it than this example, but for the "little guy" trying to get views across there is a disproportionate level of effort and stress, which sometimes will create an outburst or other reaction.  Forum members should hesitate to "put the boot in" when this occurs, but it is also true that it is a hard one to judge.
Other issues include the risk some might incur if their personal views are seen to be in some sort of conflict with their employer or even friends; or might compromise some unrelated business negotiation etc. The use of a nickname affords these people a degree of protection and allows opinions to be more freely contributed.
In the end, the old adage "follow the money" generally holds true, therefore there will always be problems of this sort within public forums. At least this one does allow a reasonable compromise, usually, and has not sunk to the level of mob rule extant on FB (which I have never joined), even though some of the info posted on FB and copied to me from time to time does reveal a very significant measure of evolving public opinion on various matters.
The worst thing on these forums are fence sitters whom I consider are treating serious issues as a sporting event. (Does'nt matter in light issues, but it's "horses for courses".
The other aspect, is that within serious issues, people closely involved can, through forums actually have discussions somewhat free of their official contraints, but in this scenario the risks of identification may preclude such productive discussion.
Summing up OSCAR, I don't think there is a  black and white answer to your question. There is no doubt that identities or nicknames count for nothing at gov't / police level because we know for a fact that during the Concord enquiry the police had access to every post along with names,  of every suspect (in their view) from this and other forums. The forum and it's structure, it's moderators etc is what it is, and I have no criticism of the present arrangements because I personally can offer no better solution.


Another good post. Level and balanced points made.  Smiley

Weve had a lot of flack over the years about over moderation but if I consider two alternatives to this forum, eg Facebook, which has less moderation and more argy bargy, a playground for which we today term ''fake news'' or our esteemed competitors the ''new forum'' which simply bans all political or 1080 discussion, then I must say we sit pretty well in allowing most opinions to stay posted and have a good balance of fair discussion without total banning of hot potato topics.
  

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