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I’m in the market for a new riffle after a few years of chasing pigs I’m getting back into the deer hunting. Was chatting to the guy at H&F today and he recommended the 6.5 Creedmoor over the 308. I will be hunting bush and farms for red deer fallow and the odd pig. Most shots will be between 200-400 metres. What’s your thoughts on this? Thanks

  
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Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 7:57pm
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In the 200-400 range both will do the job just fine
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the .308 all the way...... the 6.5 is the new skid on the jock and all the rage TODAY..... it wont do anything the 08 wont do just as good if not better (wait for the cries of protest from the guys who own one telling you its good to Roll Eyes Roll Eyes 1km)  feed your 08 with 180grn winchester power point for the close stuff and take your pick for over 100 yard work.
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Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 9:26pm
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Ditto the 308 better all rounder
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 11:08pm
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The 6.5 CM was born when a few target shooter had a brainstorming session to come up with the ideal target caliber and brass. Which tells you a lot already. After a little while hunters thought they can use the cartridge for hunting past 500m but in reality it's a big difference to hit steel plates and punch holes in paper vs trying to kill a big bodied deer at that distance.
Not saying that the CM can't tip over a deer but there are better calibers out there.
On the other hand I have a 6.5CM coming in August so go figure, hehe Smiley

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Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 7:18am
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For the purposes that you stated, my personal choice would be the 308 Win.  My reasons are as follows:

1-308  ammo is more available generally speaking
2-308 has a heavy bullet option
3-308 barrel life should be somewhat better
4-bullet selection in factory ammo for the non reloader is much greater in the 308 win

my .02 cents........the 308win has served me very well
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:25am
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H&F bloke needs a kick in the pods. 6.5 Creedmoor is the latest fashion accessory and he’s trying to sell you what’s in this season. Of the two, .308 for me for what you want to hunt up to 400m. I’m not a betting man, but I would bet that .308 will still be popular in 20 years’ time, but 6.5 Creedmoor will be well out of fashion.


  
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Reply #7 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 11:34am
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.308 is a fine hunting round , more importantly both reloading components and factory ammo are  a lot less expensive than the Creedmoor , is highly developed for reloading  and is available all over NZ if you forget your ammo and have to buy a packet .
Creedmoor is name of the famous long range shooting range, in the USA , which has been in use since muzzle loading days
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 11:33am
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For some strange reason the OP hasn't mentioned a .270 in the post. I don't get it. Grin
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:13pm
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If the creedmore is the latest fashion accessory does that mean that the 7mm08 especially in tikka is a legitimate cartridge and rifle now? Is a creedmore the latest latte rifle now?
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:07pm
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:44pm
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A mate has a Howa in 6.5 Creedmore and its a great wee rifle though it hasn't bloodied anything yet!

Based on what your after... i'd look at the tried and proven 7mm-08  Cool
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 4:04pm
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J wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 8:25am:
H&F bloke needs a kick in the pods. 6.5 Creedmoor is the latest fashion accessory and he’s trying to sell you what’s in this season. Of the two, .308 for me for what you want to hunt up to 400m. I’m not a betting man, but I would bet that .308 will still be popular in 20 years’ time, but 6.5 Creedmoor will be well out of fashion.



The 6.5 Creedmoor is here and it's here to stay Cheesy. And the longer it's here the more options in ammo and projectiles for hunting there will be. The fact that US Socom and DHS are changing their sniper platforms from. 308 to 6.5 CM is a telling sign, my thoughts tho.

To each their own, I've gone and brought a 6.5 CM and so far love it ( only 9 rounds through her as breaking in still), but I'm keen on plinking steel as well as hunting so it fits for what I want to do.

Anyway got my pop corn ready Cheesy Grin
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2018 at 7:54pm
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Yes, true, but they also tested the .260 Rem and found the two to be almost identical. And that’s my point: it doesn’t do anything that .260, 6.5x55 or 6.5x47 don’t already do, and they are already all very good.

I don’t have anything against it at all, and it will do a good job, but let’s not pretend it has any new attributes that make it a stand out performer (unless a slightly shorter case and longer neck are important to you).

We are also talking about hunting up to 400 metres, so comparing that to military sniping isn’t a fair or reasonable comparison.

All of that said, we all make our own choices and pick what’s right for our own needs.
  
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seventenths wrote on Jul 9th, 2018 at 2:44pm:
A mate has a Howa in 6.5 Creedmore and its a great wee rifle though it hasn't bloodied anything yet!

Based on what your after... i'd look at the tried and proven 7mm-08  Cool


I'm with 7/10ths on the 7-08 also, based on my last seventeen years of mainly using it.  Smiley
As you have already been advised, there are several cartridges that are suitable for all NZ big game. The main thing to focus on, is get a rifle that fits and suits you.  Wink Good luck on your choice.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 8:23am
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6.5 Creedmore is just the 6.5 x 54 MS (Greek) of 1900, ballistically.  They may have got things right about 120 years ago!

You might even argue it parallels the 6.5 x 53R Mannlicher (Dutch and Romanian) of 1892 and 1895!

However, swooning over the newly is better for business, and besides, sells more rifles.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:16am
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True - not much new in cartridges these days. What’s new is the marketing that big companies can use to sell their new wonder cartridge, ammo, brass, rifles, etc. Hornady have a winner with their Creedmoor marketing, and who can blame them if people buy it?
  
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Haha, listen to you two old dinosaurs Smiley It's called progress. Don't fear it, embrace it. Think about it next time at the dentist when you get a filling how it would have been 1892, 1895 or 1900 and you will start to like it suddenly  Grin
  
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Nope, still just this year’s must have handbag 😀
  
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J wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:51am:
Nope, still just this year’s must have handbag 😀

Could be worse. Could be the must have lipstick of the week  Kiss
  
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But I do admit to being an old dinosaur.

If you want a cool little 6.5 with target shooting pedigree, short case (shorter than Creedmoor), long neck, renowned for being unfussy with loads, small rifle primer, Lapua cases, high psi capability, up to 20 reloads per case, the 6.5 x 47 Lapua would be my choice.
  
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J wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:51am:
Nope, still just this year’s must have handbag 😀

Agree. The 6.5x55 Swede will do anything this can do.
  
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Allizdog wrote on Jul 19th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
J wrote on Jul 12th, 2018 at 6:51am:
Nope, still just this year’s must have handbag 😀

Agree. The 6.5x55 Swede will do anything this can do.


Except fit in an SA AICS style magazine....

Which is what the 6.5 CM was designed for.....max performance in a short magazine with a heavy for calibre high BC projectile.

I'm currently building my first 6.5 x 47 Lapua and another 6.5 CM with the same barrel, length, SP Lapua brass, powder & projectile  Cool

So it will be interesting to see the differences in performance stack up  Smiley
  

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Reply #24 - Jul 20th, 2018 at 8:10am
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So the 6.5creedmore and 6.5 x47, if you pushed both hard velocity wise....would they both have similar performance?? Or does creedmore have an edge??
  
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So the 6.5creedmore and 6.5 x47, if you pushed both hard velocity wise....would they both have similar performance?? Or does creedmore have an edge??


If you want the cold hard facts, you might be a bit premature in asking this question  Wink
  
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Mind you that chart will have changed by next season. Smiley
  

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I have an extremely accurate Sako 85 .308 and an even more accurate Tikka T3X Lite 6.5 Creedmoor. By extremely accurate I mean .25-35 MOA all day long.

I hunt the local pine forests where the red deer are huge big bodied animals with some stags going 150-170 kilos dressed. With the .308 I can use a variety of 165-180 gr bullets for the big reds. I haven't tried the 6.5 CM on the big reds and would be reluctant to do so unless it was a plenty of time to take shot.

I far more enjoy shooting the 6.5 CM. Less recoil and nice flat trajectory - those 143 ELD-X bullets rock.
Make no mistake the 6.5 Creedmoor is here to stay. When I bought my first 7mm/08 just over 30 years ago people were saying the same thing about that cartridge and now it's one of the most popular deer cartridges worldwide.

The 6.5 CM's down range performance is excellent and it seems to be an inherently accurate cartridge, if there is such a thing. Because of the shorter case you can seat the heavier bullets out where they don't take up valuable cartridge space.

Even so, I still believe the best all round, one cartridge for NZ deer hunting is the 7mm/08.

  

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Agreed on 7-08 being a great cartridge, but “one of the most popular cartridges worldwide”? Perhaps here in NZ, but not anywhere else I know of (although it ought to be).

  
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J wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 7:59am:
Agreed on 7-08 being a great cartridge, but “one of the most popular cartridges worldwide”? Perhaps here in NZ, but not anywhere else I know of (although it ought to be).


I did say deer hunting cartridge. Very popular in the U.S. and Canada now and also taken off in U.K/Europe. Not so in Africa or China; however, as far as I know, deer hunting isn't popular in those places. Parts of South America such as Argentina have great deer hunting but you never hear much about it.


  

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Reply #31 - Jul 29th, 2018 at 11:16am
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The 6.5 Creedmoor has been available for eleven years now. Probably the main reason it's gained in popularity is that ammunition is available at reasonable prices and there are several inexpensive firearms now chambered for the cartridge even the new Sako Finnlight II is now chambered in the 6.5 CM although certainly not inexpensive.

As a long time reloader I tend to forget that most hunters don't reload and the availability of factory ammo is important to them. I was initially surprised by how many shops carried 6.5 CM factory ammo here in NZ. The .260 ammunition is ridiculously priced and the great 6.5x55 is at it's best when reloaded. Also, try finding some factory 6.5x47 Lapua in a gun shop here or even in the U.S. 



  

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Reply #32 - Jul 29th, 2018 at 2:21pm
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Well I've just picked up my new Creedmoor from the post office, sold the stainless 6mm Remington and was after a 6.5 cal, stainless rifle, was thinking a 260 or 6.5x55, what do yar know, hardly any around, but tones, I mean as many as 308's, in 6.5 Creedmoor, was looking at a Finnlight, and my favourite gun store, got a shipment of LAW (Lendary gun works) Pro in, $1200 of list, and cheaper that the Sako,  so that's what I have sitting in front of me now, Bit heavier that they show on their spec's, Nicely put together, and well balanced.
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10-Ring wrote on Jul 29th, 2018 at 11:16am:
The 6.5 Creedmoor has been available for eleven years now. Probably the main reason it's gained in popularity is that ammunition is available at reasonable prices and there are several inexpensive firearms now chambered for the cartridge even the new Sako Finnlight II is now chambered in the 6.5 CM although certainly not inexpensive.

As a long time reloader I tend to forget that most hunters don't reload and the availability of factory ammo is important to them. I was initially surprised by how many shops carried 6.5 CM factory ammo here in NZ. The .260 ammunition is ridiculously priced and the great 6.5x55 is at it's best when reloaded. Also, try finding some factory 6.5x47 Lapua in a gun shop here or even in the U.S. 

Fair points ref reloading. I forget that too.


  
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I have been teetering on getting a Creedmoor. Also for the fact that it will be a lighter recoiling rifle if my son starts to come out hunting with me.

......but now I hear the 6.5 PRC is coming in factory chamberings.........I might just wait a while.... Wink
  
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I’d like a 6.5 PRC too, but isn’t that doing exactly the same thing that a 6.5 SAUM and others already do?
  
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J wrote on Aug 13th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
I’d like a 6.5 PRC too, but isn’t that doing exactly the same thing that a 6.5 SAUM and others already do?


Yes......BUT....you can't go down to the local store and buy a packet of 6.5 SAUM Ammo. And the PRC loads printed on the box, if close to that in reality are pretty bloody good.
  
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Reply #37 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 9:09am
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Fair enough, and I would like one, esp in 147 ELD-X, but I was making the point that there’s never any new wonder cartridge that something else doesn’t already do. If it’s properly supported by a big manufacturer then it may take off.

I seem to remember that forum member Bob had a wildcat chambered in 6.5-.300 RCM, which is basically what this is.
  
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