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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #15 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:47am
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fat ninja wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 10:28am:
If I running traps Id skin the good ones, Id check for bits of fur that have come out,windows etc and pluck the rest, also Id talk to your buyer and see what they want they may want certain type,size of skin, this will help you get more money off your line



yea skin buyer showed me what to look for but easiest way for me to tell is just to skin the things and look on the inside, havent done enough yet to get an idea what theyre like from lookin at them. 
moved to a new area about 5km from where I was, 70traps out yday and not 1 stinkn possum, was getn 50-80 % catch rate at last place so I guess the 1080 last year done its job, was interestn as the birdlife was also non existant but deer plentiful
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #16 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 12:03pm
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Yea it comes time, Ive found big females usually are good to skin, Id pluck all the old red neck bucks and small stuff, anything else is a case by case basis, do talk to your buyer and get an idea of what size/colour skins he after and skin those one, you can always slipe them afterwards
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #17 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 1:48pm
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yea currently slipe everything. I skin most trapped ones as well because I get terrible hand cramps handplucking (too many years milking cows  Cry )   Fat ninja have you used the portable pluckers before?  still yet to find anyone thats used 1 to get an idea if theyre worthwhile, just going off the lack of users me thinks they are no good?
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #18 - Jun 10th, 2018 at 2:11pm
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Na I havent if your on Facebook I can point to a couple of pages that has them pop up every now and then a few people use them even have a look on YouTube there a few videos on there
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #19 - Aug 9th, 2018 at 5:35pm
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Does anyone in southland have a plucker I could try out to see if I like em or not before I outlay $$$$.  Benchtop or backpack type it dosent matter just wanna get a feel of what theyre like etc.
Thanks in advance.

or alternatively if you like skinning and want a trailer load of coons dropped off to earn some beer money pm me lol  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #20 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 2:14am
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SF90 wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 12:33am:
I obviously had a bad teacher - skinned from front to back and cleared the tail last - and that's the way I always did it unless I got a 'special' which I 'open skinned'.

I had no idea a carcass was worth that much - never sold one, but I was shown a photo of skinned carcass's lined up in a Chinese meat store labelled 'NZ Bears'.
The company who exported them did everything you could think of with a possum - fur, skins, petfood, human consumption - everything through to the finished product with export markets already in place - they had their own trappers.
I wouldn't have been surprised to find they used the gut for tennis racquets and the brain pan for soup spoons.
Haven't heard anything of them for ages - don't even know if that operation exists now.

The thing I was doing was sideways to all that and it took a massive amount of effort to get rolling, then some years to get credibility - and then the tail started to wag the dog - so I took a break.

Was an interesting time though, I even had a lady come over from Sweden to take photos and details to put in a book, but I never got a copy so don't know if she did it.

All that was a while back now - I went back to the simple life - and now I think I've dug a rut I gotta crawl out of Undecided


I was one of those Kiwi-Bear trappers.

You could always tell when another trapper had not been able to contain the possum between releasing, from the leg-hold trap, and putting the live possum into the box because his pants legs were shredded, or even gone, and there were the obvious wounds of very angry possum's teeth and claws in the exposed legs. Of course, this rather embarrassing situation never, ever happened to me.

Kiwi bear was one of the Fletcher investments that went south when they hit hard times. They had invested in a whole lot of things including possum, deer, goat and kiwifruit farms and they got rid of the lot and went back to what they had knew.

The people that are buying your skins, today, are selling them for at least twice what they are paying you and up to 10 times depending on what Mink skins are selling for. The equation you should use, as to what your buyer is selling your 1st, 2nd and good 3rd grade skins for, at the Legend Fur Auction House in the US through private treaty, is around 40% of what the average mink price is. Go and look at the auction results and you will find no entries for NZ possum skins because all the NZ possum skins are being sold by private treaty as the sellers do not want you to know what your skins are selling for overseas.

gonehuntin, I've been where you are, and I thought I was shit-hot too. The likes of you and and Salmoner, that have just started out on your trapping journey, shouldn't be so hard to judge older trappers that have been where you are now.

We do know stuff that you have yet to learn and if you approach things right you can be taught things, very quickly, that will take you a whole lot longer if you decide to be the MAN that does everything his way.

I would also suggest that you, and you new hunting mates, do not get involved with any fancy ideas about hunting/trapping that has not already been done by a good trapper before, as you might find yourselves in the terrible situation of having to back down on ideas that you have promoted and can't back up.



  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #21 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 12:12pm
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will take that on board marty, and fyi im an extremely efficient learner and take everything I can on board as theres very good and very bad advice/ideas thrown around and I use a combination of other peoples methods to my advantage for a system that works for ME that is simple and makes the most efficient use of my time.

a way that works for me may or maynot work for you or sf90 and vice versa. theres more then 1 way that works and its about finding the 1 that works for you.  and as for the fancy ideas thing I have no intentions of doing so but if theres easy money sitting infront of me ill take it but there really is only an illusion of easy money as you know yourself anything involves some sort of hard work and seems to be a fair bit of blood and tears go into it aswell.
  
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Re: to pluck or skin???
Reply #22 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 8:01am
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Marty Foote wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 2:14am:
SF90 wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 12:33am:
I obviously had a bad teacher - skinned from front to back and cleared the tail last - and that's the way I always did it unless I got a 'special' which I 'open skinned'.

I had no idea a carcass was worth that much - never sold one, but I was shown a photo of skinned carcass's lined up in a Chinese meat store labelled 'NZ Bears'.
The company who exported them did everything you could think of with a possum - fur, skins, petfood, human consumption - everything through to the finished product with export markets already in place - they had their own trappers.
I wouldn't have been surprised to find they used the gut for tennis racquets and the brain pan for soup spoons.
Haven't heard anything of them for ages - don't even know if that operation exists now.

The thing I was doing was sideways to all that and it took a massive amount of effort to get rolling, then some years to get credibility - and then the tail started to wag the dog - so I took a break.

Was an interesting time though, I even had a lady come over from Sweden to take photos and details to put in a book, but I never got a copy so don't know if she did it.

All that was a while back now - I went back to the simple life - and now I think I've dug a rut I gotta crawl out of Undecided


I was one of those Kiwi-Bear trappers.

You could always tell when another trapper had not been able to contain the possum between releasing, from the leg-hold trap, and putting the live possum into the box because his pants legs were shredded, or even gone, and there were the obvious wounds of very angry possum's teeth and claws in the exposed legs. Of course, this rather embarrassing situation never, ever happened to me.

Kiwi bear was one of the Fletcher investments that went south when they hit hard times. They had invested in a whole lot of things including possum, deer, goat and kiwifruit farms and they got rid of the lot and went back to what they had knew.

The people that are buying your skins, today, are selling them for at least twice what they are paying you and up to 10 times depending on what Mink skins are selling for. The equation you should use, as to what your buyer is selling your 1st, 2nd and good 3rd grade skins for, at the Legend Fur Auction House in the US through private treaty, is around 40% of what the average mink price is. Go and look at the auction results and you will find no entries for NZ possum skins because all the NZ possum skins are being sold by private treaty as the sellers do not want you to know what your skins are selling for overseas.

gonehuntin, I've been where you are, and I thought I was shit-hot too. The likes of you and and Salmoner, that have just started out on your trapping journey, shouldn't be so hard to judge older trappers that have been where you are now.

We do know stuff that you have yet to learn and if you approach things right you can be taught things, very quickly, that will take you a whole lot longer if you decide to be the MAN that does everything his way.

I would also suggest that you, and you new hunting mates, do not get involved with any fancy ideas about hunting/trapping that has not already been done by a good trapper before, as you might find yourselves in the terrible situation of having to back down on ideas that you have promoted and can't back up.





Eh ?  Cheesy Cheesy

You are correct i have just started out doing predator trapping.. bought my first Doc trap 20 years ago.. sold a few possum skins 40 odd years ago.
  
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Reply #23 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:41am
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I was one of those Kiwi-Bear trappers.

You could always tell when another trapper had not been able to contain the possum between releasing, from the leg-hold trap, and putting the live possum into the box because his pants legs were shredded, or even gone, and there were the obvious wounds of very angry possum's teeth and claws in the exposed legs. Of course, this rather embarrassing situation never, ever happened to me.

Kiwi bear was one of the Fletcher investments that went south when they hit hard times. They had invested in a whole lot of things including possum, deer, goat and kiwifruit farms and they got rid of the lot and went back to what they had knew.

The people that are buying your skins, today, are selling them for at least twice what they are paying you and up to 10 times depending on what Mink skins are selling for. The equation you should use, as to what your buyer is selling your 1st, 2nd and good 3rd grade skins for, at the Legend Fur Auction House in the US through private treaty, is around 40% of what the average mink price is. Go and look at the auction results and you will find no entries for NZ possum skins because all the NZ possum skins are being sold by private treaty as the sellers do not want you to know what your skins are selling for overseas.
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That was interesting - never knew that.

I never did the live capture thing - and I only recall being bitten by one possum.
Was thirteen when I caught my first one in a trap I scrounged from somewhere. Gave it a couple of dongs, then felt sorry for the poor bugger, so picked it up and gave it a cuddle.
Nek minute the bloody thing leaned down and wrapped his claws around my upper thigh and chewed a bloody big lump out. Still got that scar from near sixty years ago - looks like a milky white birthmark.
Have had a few run up my legs though, but never a really big one.
Happened last year, or the year before when a neighbour dropped one off in a bag - "Got a live one there mate." - then buggered off.
I picked up that bag and it felt very still, so I gave it a couple of pokes and got no reaction.
"Bloody Bob - taking the piss." so I upended it and tipped it on the ground - and that thing went straight up my leg - "Shit !"
I froze and so did he about mid thigh, then with a mighty leap he launched himself straight out and hit the ground running and I went inside for some sympathy from the missus.

Would get a lot dropped off here the neighbours had caught in Timm's traps, but one of the funniest 'drop off's' was watching a Nissan Bluebird lurching up my shitty driveway, bulldozing the centre hump whilst I was fiddling in the garage.
Came to a halt and a gardener bloke from up the road hopped out, trotted around the other side and opening the passenger door, hauled old man Whatmore out.
Whatmore went 23 stone and his gardener 18 and out the boot of the car he pulled out one of the biggest possums I'd ever seen.

"Member of the family - is it ?"
"I reckon that's a world record - that possum, got any scales ?"

So I got out my fish scales and that thing went close to fifteen pounds - then I had to look on the computer to see if it was a world record.
And it was close to being to being the biggest recorded possum.

And talking about Whatmore, he had a wife damned near as big and at the opening of the fishing season they were sitting on the back of their boat enjoying some wine with friends when she topple over the back in about twelve feet of water.
No floatation in that woman at all, which I found interesting - went straight to the bottom and sat there whilst the blokes looking over waited for her self inflating jacket to pop.
Nothing - so, in they went and had almost got to her when it did inflate and she shot past them trailing a stream of bubbles whilst having a heart attack in the process.

Didn't kill her that heart attack, but it must have created a lot of angst because the doctor told her she had to attack her food with less vigour.

They went back to England after that and I never saw them again because he got so fat no airline would allow him on a plane.
Shame really 'cos their gardener would arrive with a written invitation for drinks at four or five or whatever random hour they chose - then wait while I had to write a reply as to whether I was coming or not.

"Why don't you just bloody phone ?"
"Can't do that old chap, wouldn't be proper."

Then I'd get thoroughly pissed and puke in the gardener's Bluebird on the way home.




  
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Reply #24 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 8:25am
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I borrowed a mates backpack plucker years back and I couldn't get the hang of it. It would rip the gut open on every coon I tried. Hell of a thing to try and duck under branches while also carrying a bag of fur and bag with the essentials, hammer, flour and nails etc.
I wouldn't buy one at all.
I would skin the A grades buy using the sleeve method and the misses would tan them and make cushions to sell at $170 a pop and some she made into inner soles for your boots to keep you feet warm in winter which she sold for $45.
The only part of the carcass I ever took out was the back legs to mix the meat with Pukes to make breakfast sausages if I could be bothered. I wanted to make the most of each possum due to the effort that we all know it takes.
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 3:46pm
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yea I could imagine goin through scrub wouldnt be the funnest with one.  also I dont think its worth the hassle to setup just to do a few coons so would need to bait station or carry the bastards untill theres enough to do.

my mate just got a mciver benchtop plucker and it does a bloody good job so will prob get one of those for next winter and just mount it to my trailer and cart them all back with the quad.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:29pm
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BB $125 k
  
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dribbler wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:29pm:
BB $125 k


$5 kg extra if u take in 50+kg at a time  Smiley
  
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