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Sleeping bag. best bang for buck or grams
May 1st, 2018 at 10:37am
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After a couple of horrible cold snaps on my roar trip, incl that polar blast dropping temperatues to minus 9 deg, I really need to look at another sleeping bag.

My current one is a summer down and I've always used a sea to summit thermal liner to add some more warmth. I even slept with head to toe in polyprops, down jacket, gloves and two pairs of socks during the roar trip and I was still cold. My bag  was a cheap and is poorly made, leaks down feather all the time, zip is a pain and probably needs a refill, but I don't think it would handle the refill very well.

So what do people use out there for 3-4 season and doesn't weight 1.5kg!

I've had a look at Z-packs ones, they are light and probably going to be pricey but they aren't a mummy type. Macpac are heavy.
  

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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2018 at 11:06am
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I think your on track with the Boutique companyís like Zpacks but they are expensive.... These days you should easily get a -10 degree bag that weighs under 1kg or even 800g look at http://featheredfriends.com/ these guys are market leaders in sleeping bags , they make to order , there not mass produced and consequently they are very high quality !! Also look at http://www.westernmountaineering.com another boutique company from the states thatís starting to get rave reviews , there Ultra light is a 800g -10 degree bag.. As far as more established companyís go and nothing against Macpac but Marmont make great bags ! The Marmont Phase 20 -10 bag is 650g
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Scott also remember that you have to consider you whole sleeping system , if you mat is crap youíll be cold in the worlds best sleeping bag ...if you donít already have one get yourself a high rated ( greater that 5 R value) sleeping pad .. youíll never look back
  

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You should have a look at the Sea to Summit Mirco3
https://www.bivouac.co.nz/gear/camping-and-tramping/sleeping-bags/sea-to-summit-...

A couple of mates use them & they are popular with the adventure racing crowd.
I got one before the roar at 20% off, compressís down super small, light weight & I used one of those thermal liners in it on the tops in 0deg & was warm with just wearing a base layer & hat, Iím a warm sleeper thou.

Iíll be taking it on our Greenstone trip in June.

  
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i_e wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 11:06am:
Scott also remember that you have to consider you whole sleeping system , if you mat is crap youíll be cold in the worlds best sleeping bag ...if you donít already have one get yourself a high rated ( greater that 5 R value) sleeping pad .. youíll never look back



Thanks. I currently use a thermorest Neoair Xlite. I'm a cold sleeper too Sad
  

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Look for at least an 800 loft down bag. I've been how impressed my 400g 800 loft Macpac bag is.
  
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What you have to remember mate, it's your body heat that warms the air gaps in the down, the down just stops the heat escaping.

So sleeping in your clothes pretty much inhibits any body heat escaping your clothes,  and pretty much negates using a sleeping bag at all. I only ever sleep in merino base layers, but wearing a beanie will keep you warmer than wearing clothes in your bag.

I run two bags, a summer light weight down from Macpac, which is good down to 0deg, for my winter bag I run a Vaude Ice Peak Extreme, she's rated to keep you alive at -27 but comfort range at -16. It has so many bells and whistles, but the downside is it's a touch heavy, and slightly bulky, but that's the price you pay for warmth, there's always a trade off
between weight and warmth.

Personally I'd rather carry the extra weight knowing I'm going to be warm at night after a big day on the hill.

But that's my 2c worth, just remember you get what you pay for, Euro or US manufacturers actually come from cold climates, not the "mild" temps we get here in NZ.

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Howís the decision making process going Scott ? Any favorites emerging ?
  

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Tom N wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 9:23am:
What you have to remember mate, it's your body heat that warms the air gaps in the down, the down just stops the heat escaping.

So sleeping in your clothes pretty much inhibits any body heat escaping your clothes,† and pretty much negates using a sleeping bag at all. I only ever sleep in merino base layers, but wearing a beanie will keep you warmer than wearing clothes in your bag.

I run two bags, a summer light weight down from Macpac, which is good down to 0deg, for my winter bag I run a Vaude Ice Peak Extreme, she's rated to keep you alive at -27 but comfort range at -16. It has so many bells and whistles, but the downside is it's a touch heavy, and slightly bulky, but that's the price you pay for warmth, there's always a trade off
between weight and warmth.

Personally I'd rather carry the extra weight knowing I'm going to be warm at night after a big day on the hill.

But that's my 2c worth, just remember you get what you pay for, Euro or US manufacturers actually come from cold climates, not the "mild" temps we get here in NZ.

Good luck on your purchase mate.


Sorry Tom, but I can't agree with you, cept about wearing a beanie as that does add warmth because so much heat loss occurs through your head.

As I understand it, wearing clothes in your sleeping bag does add warmth because it puts another layer between your naked body and the colder air outside your bag. Essentially you are creating a layering system, reducing the loss of air your body is warming up . . . and the final loft of the bag helps insulate against that heat loss also.

In all respects go for layering . . . that's why several thinner layers are better for regulating body temperature than one big thick layer. And the beauty of this system is that one bag can do for more conditions . . . add clothing or liner layers for warmth on cold nights, or strip down for hot nights . . .and even open the zip, etc.   
  

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Reply #8 - May 4th, 2018 at 11:58pm
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Have a gander at the One Planet range.
  
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Montbell are worth a look.....check online. I think purchasing thru their Japan based site works out cheaper.... Embarrassed
  
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I guess ya gotta try a few bags & mats, what are mates for?
  

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You can get extra down added to the baffles if you want, take it to a store. Had this with my one, so hot now I am always in my undies even in winter and during that polar blast that hit in April it was the first time I could zip it up to my chest without getting too hot !
  
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Reply #12 - May 6th, 2018 at 12:03am
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Or you can do what I do when its really hard to warm up . heat up the billy, pour the heated water into your drink bottle & slip that down your thermals. Bliss Wink
  
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Reply #13 - May 6th, 2018 at 8:08am
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Blimey! These down 4 season bags are expensive, but thereís nothing worse than shivering away all night after a hard day.

In my British Army days we had bags that could cope down to -40C. The buggers weighed 6 Kg and we had to use them in summer too when they were massively too hot.

I have 2 and 3 season bags now, but still need to pull the trigger on a 4 season lightweight jobby. Interesting info and options above.
  
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creed wrote on May 4th, 2018 at 9:39pm:
Tom N wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 9:23am:
What you have to remember mate, it's your body heat that warms the air gaps in the down, the down just stops the heat escaping.

So sleeping in your clothes pretty much inhibits any body heat escaping your clothes,† and pretty much negates using a sleeping bag at all. I only ever sleep in merino base layers, but wearing a beanie will keep you warmer than wearing clothes in your bag.

I run two bags, a summer light weight down from Macpac, which is good down to 0deg, for my winter bag I run a Vaude Ice Peak Extreme, she's rated to keep you alive at -27 but comfort range at -16. It has so many bells and whistles, but the downside is it's a touch heavy, and slightly bulky, but that's the price you pay for warmth, there's always a trade off
between weight and warmth.

Personally I'd rather carry the extra weight knowing I'm going to be warm at night after a big day on the hill.

But that's my 2c worth, just remember you get what you pay for, Euro or US manufacturers actually come from cold climates, not the "mild" temps we get here in NZ.

Good luck on your purchase mate.


Sorry Tom, but I can't agree with you, cept about wearing a beanie as that does add warmth because so much heat loss occurs through your head.

As I understand it, wearing clothes in your sleeping bag does add warmth because it puts another layer between your naked body and the colder air outside your bag. Essentially you are creating a layering system, reducing the loss of air your body is warming up . . . and the final loft of the bag helps insulate against that heat loss also.

In all respects go for layering . . . that's why several thinner layers are better for regulating body temperature than one big thick layer. And the beauty of this system is that one bag can do for more conditions . . . add clothing or liner layers for warmth on cold nights, or strip down for hot nights . . .and even open the zip, etc.† †


I can see merit in both arguments.  I have a foot in both camps and use a lightweight down vest with the front unzipped.  Adds more down yet doesn't stop the sleeping bag doing its thing either.


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