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Jan 22nd, 2018 at 9:02pm
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Short clip of rabbit shooting work.  18 minutes 32 Rabbits 32 shots,  Except for the titles this is unedited.  The gun cam on the  optic only does 6 minute chunks of video before making another file.
These recordings shut the accountants up when they complain about the bill.  In one nights shooting the ammo bill was $800 alone  Grin


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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2018 at 9:43pm
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Very interesting ,some of those bunnies thought something wasn't quite right ....but it was  a little late by then  Smiley
  
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Good shooting Weathered.

Brno .17 bolt action?
  

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headcase wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Good shooting Weathered.

Brno .17 bolt action?


Yep... have 2 now one thermal one standard optics.

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Very interesting ,some of those bunnies thought something wasn't quite right ....but it was  a little late by then  Smiley


Yes they don't quite know what to do yet do they?
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 7:42pm
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Thats why you shoot all of them the first time and no missing.

No conditioning, no learned response, no running away.

  

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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2018 at 1:35pm
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[quote author=706360606B766770020 link=1516654932/5#5 date=1516800782][quote author=6964606562607264010 link=1516654932/4#4 date=1516736527]Thats why you shoot all of them the first time and no missing.

No conditioning, no learned response, no running away.


Not yet they don't, but they know somethings up.After some pressure there is, without doubt, a effect ,the level of effect usually matches the pressure.Eg the report noise of the firearm will after some pressure cause any older rabbits out feeding that are within hearing distance, to move to cover or under ground .If they are rested for any length of time, they become very settled and are easy targets .Only last night when I was using the shot gun repeatedly in a single paddock the rabbits just sat out as they had no pressure placed on them for a long period of time.The length of cover they are feeding in also plays a major role ,ideally you want cover that "holds" the rabbits but not long that you cant see them with the light .That's where  thermal gear stands out alone ,its a huge step forward. 
  
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agree, the difference between a block that has not been shot on for some months can be phenominal.  Smiley

Even using the thermal Ive modified my behaviour to obtain the best  result. Gone back to just using subs with thermal to begin.

Can shoot whole groups without much disturbance. The longer range stuff comes out after a rest.

They are also as you say noticably quieter with a little cover, new growth..

Every night is a little different, but there are trends..

  

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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2018 at 5:53am
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Nature will up tool the rabbit wont take long for the bunny to catch on.Sight is only one of the razor sharp senses they have .Its a on going battle & its been that way for a very long time .Effort can control them,doing nothing only results in  repeating the same patten,ending up with the same result .
  
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The Thermal already has a weakness. Thats the small amount of light emitted by the screen that reflects off your face. Im convinced rabbits can see this and its enough to give them a heads up. The % of times they bolt just at the exact moment the cross hairs are put on them tells me something is going on. Its uncanny

They are already learning..
  

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headcase wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 7:34am:
The Thermal already has a weakness. Thats the small amount of light emitted by the screen that reflects off your face. Im convinced rabbits can see this and its enough to give them a heads up. The % of times they bolt just at the exact moment the cross hairs are put on them tells me something is going on. Its uncanny

They are already learning..


Time for rambo facepaint to reduce the glare  Cheesy
  
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headcase wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 7:34am:
The Thermal already has a weakness. Thats the small amount of light emitted by the screen that reflects off your face. Im convinced rabbits can see this and its enough to give them a heads up. The % of times they bolt just at the exact moment the cross hairs are put on them tells me something is going on. Its uncanny

They are already learning..

Cut the farting back as well mate.How have you been finding the PCP ?

  
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Just waiting on a dive tank I bought. Then the work will beginn. Have signs printed. The local cop is on bord.


  

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Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2018 at 12:52pm
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That's why the military versions have an eyepiece that remains closed till you push your eye against it, and two little flaps magically open between your eye and the ocular lens: Voila, no light shining off your face. Lucky the little buggers don't shoot back eh!
headcase wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 7:34am:
The Thermal already has a weakness. Thats the small amount of light emitted by the screen that reflects off your face. Im convinced rabbits can see this and its enough to give them a heads up. The % of times they bolt just at the exact moment the cross hairs are put on them tells me something is going on. Its uncanny

They are already learning..

  
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What kind of rest / shooting stick are you guys using?
  
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@ Weathered & headcase:

What kind of rest / shooting stick are you guys using?


Weathered was shooting of a ute with shooting frame.

I shoot of quad with shooting frame, off the truck window, or a alu photo tripod or a CALDWELL DEADSHOT FIELDPOD, which is very quickly adjusted.
  

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You two killers could give ol Bugs a chance and start shooting off hand,no shooting sticks or rests back in the Roo Board days  Shocked. If yi didn't knock em over when in full flight with in three shots you were eventually down the road.
Far too easy with these thermal things Cheesy,,then I guess they are real heavy? It is very much like a video game eh,quite cool really  Smiley and bloody effective.
  

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You two killers could give ol Bugs a chance and start shooting off hand,no shooting sticks or rests back in the Roo Board days  Shocked. If yi didn't knock em over when in full flight with in three shots you were eventually down the road.
Far too easy with these thermal things Cheesy,,then I guess they are real heavy? It is very much like a video game eh,quite cool really  Smiley and bloody effective.

Shot 823 the other night with a loader passing me mags, all up 857 rounds used for that.
Half the time shooting from a frame and the rest of the time walking the rows on foot and raising the rifle/sight on every second vine row to look down both sides.  300-400 rows = a lot of lifting the rifle in a night.  Rabbits can see very well even in total darkness.   Grin
  

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Would you say your shooting in general has taken a leap forward W. in speed and accuracy.
  

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EC wrote on Jan 28th, 2018 at 3:14pm:
You two killers could give ol Bugs a chance and start shooting off hand,no shooting sticks or rests back in the Roo Board days  Shocked. If yi didn't knock em over when in full flight with in three shots you were eventually down the road.
Far too easy with these thermal things Cheesy,,then I guess they are real heavy? It is very much like a video game eh,quite cool really  Smiley and bloody effective.


Once you go black, you never go back.  Grin

Still spend a lot of time behind normal optics EC.  Thermal is just another tool in the toolbox.
  

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Scary ti think what you could get up to eh,outa sight outa mind.Thats a bloody lot of rounds Weathered and kills,I hope yi taking a coffee brake  Smiley
Working on the dark side  has got my attention Cheesy
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Scary ti think what you could get up to eh,outa sight outa mind.Thats a bloody lot of rounds Weathered and kills,I hope yi taking a coffee brake  Smiley
Working on the dark side  has got my attention Cheesy
thanks ti both of yi's.


I take tea EC, coffee gives me the shakes and I like steady hands.  Yeah I don't like walking around in daylight much lots of things out in the dark.

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Would you say your shooting in general has taken a leap forward W. in speed and accuracy.

Yes a lot of trigger time and thought goes into it I have had time for both.
  

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Boys, what’s your favourite brand/sight your using? And your reasons why?

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Thermos I use that good,i picked up bit of heat on a lupon plant about 30 mtrs away,i thort it a mouse climbing up and down the lupon doing a midnight raid on the sweet pollin.I went over to have a look,it was a bloody bumble bee climbing up and down the lupon Grin.
Its surprizing how fast hedge hogs walk around in the dark looking for food too and all the other critters. Cool
  

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Thermal = Yukon Trail 50 for the field of view on a bolt action rifle 38's aren't wide enough

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fat ninja wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:48am:
Boys, what’s your favourite brand/sight your using? And your reasons why?

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Thermal = Yukon Trail 50 for the field of view on a bolt action rifle 38's aren't wide enough

Any optic that you like otherwise

The rich mans toy  Grin Grin
  
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He will be wealthy now hes doing all this rabbitting work.  Cheesy
  

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He will be wealthy now hes doing all this rabbitting work.  Cheesy

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He will be wealthy now hes doing all this rabbitting work.  Cheesy
.Need a lot of rabbit kills to pay for a trail 50.About 10 nights at the rate he s going. Wink
  

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Local females have heard hes " loaded" but its not his fault ,they thought it was money . Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Mind you, he s spent a lot of time away from home over seas to get the $$$.Earn't every penny off it. Wink
  

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How long does it take for rabbits to reset after being blasted?

I returned to a farm 1 week after having a shotgunning session and there were noticeably less bunnies. Two weeks for them to relax again?
  
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How long is a piece of string.  Might depend on just how disturbed they were, or some rabbits have very long memories.

A couple of things Ill throw in for consideration. May or may not be true.. you decide

+ Every time a rabbit has a negative experience it can directly associate with the sound of a vehicle or shots, it learns to flee. If that experience is repeated the better it learns.  Animal behavioural experts would call it a conditioned reflex like Pavlovs Dogs salivating.

+ Conditioned rabbits that flee, train less conditioned rabbits to flee, such as a mother with a litter of younger rabbits out on an exploratory mission.

+ sometimes that flight response appears to be less if the weather, vegetation height,  or feed conditions are just right. eg if the rabbit is heavily pregnant or has a full belly, they may tend to just hunker down real low. The moon or temperature and atmospheric conditions may also play a role.  High winds can also have this effect. I love shooting im a nor west storm.


But in answer to your question.. there is a noticeable difference on rested areas, the longer the better. A year is a dream but there will be way too many rabbits. 2 months is good from a practical point of controlling numbers and getting a good balance.

From a control point of view, rabbiters on here that Ive talked to would probably say an area should be shot every 3 weeks.

its important also that when entering an area, that every rabbit seen is shot dead, no missing, no shooting just 2 of a group of ten, no wounding that one rabbit starts squealing..

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My experience is often taking first time or infrequent shooters out for an evening to get them into a bit of hunting so frequent misses. The only thing that mitigates it I only get put every two or three weeks and have a few properties to cover so they end up getting a decent rest in between

Really helpful to her your thought especially the three week time period
  
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My experience is often taking first time or infrequent shooters out for an evening to get them into a bit of hunting so frequent misses. The only thing that mitigates it I only get put every two or three weeks and have a few properties to cover so they end up getting a decent rest in between

Really helpful to her your thought especially the three week time period


I do it a lttle differenty which suits better the ammount of time I can be shooting.

When entering a new area or an area that has not been shot recently, assuming its a reasonalble night for shooting, I will shot the same area two nights in a row, and then go back a third time after resting it 2-3 weeks.  When moving forward from area to area, Ill always overlap the previous days work.

Depending on the density of rabbits you may need to adjsut the number of nights you initially shoot an area.
  

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Weathered wrote on Jan 22nd, 2018 at 9:02pm:
Short clip of rabbit shooting work.  18 minutes 32 Rabbits 32 shots,  Except for the titles this is unedited.  The gun cam on the  optic only does 6 minute chunks of video before making another file.
These recordings shut the accountants up when they complain about the bill.  In one nights shooting the ammo bill was $800 alone  Grin


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So, that's what you are using our scopes for, killing rabbits! You swines, have never seen 'Watership Down'?
  
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How long is a piece of string.  Might depend on just how disturbed they were, or some rabbits have very long memories.

A couple of things Ill throw in for consideration. May or may not be true.. you decide

+ Every time a rabbit has a negative experience it can directly associate with the sound of a vehicle or shots, it learns to flee. If that experience is repeated the better it learns.  Animal behavioural experts would call it a conditioned reflex like Pavlovs Dogs salivating.

+ Conditioned rabbits that flee, train less conditioned rabbits to flee, such as a mother with a litter of younger rabbits out on an exploratory mission.

+ sometimes that flight response appears to be less if the weather, vegetation height,  or feed conditions are just right. eg if the rabbit is heavily pregnant or has a full belly, they may tend to just hunker down real low. The moon or temperature and atmospheric conditions may also play a role.  High winds can also have this effect. I love shooting im a nor west storm.


But in answer to your question.. there is a noticeable difference on rested areas, the longer the better. A year is a dream but there will be way too many rabbits. 2 months is good from a practical point of controlling numbers and getting a good balance.

From a control point of view, rabbiters on here that Ive talked to would probably say an area should be shot every 3 weeks.

its important also that when entering an area, that every rabbit seen is shot dead, no missing, no shooting just 2 of a group of ten, no wounding that one rabbit starts squealing..

Id be interested to hear other experiences on this?


I totally agree with your comments about behavouvioural conditioning, but would also add that in any group of animals, some will be genetically predisposed to flight, and will therefore pass these genes on. Combined, this can make them, what is scientifically known as, 'tricky little pricks to shoot'.
  
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headcase wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 7:34am:
The Thermal already has a weakness. Thats the small amount of light emitted by the screen that reflects off your face. Im convinced rabbits can see this and its enough to give them a heads up. The % of times they bolt just at the exact moment the cross hairs are put on them tells me something is going on. Its uncanny

They are already learning..


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Me too. One other thing I dont understand is no sound on the recorder.
  

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Wow, great video! it{is really interesting how the rabbits looks aware of something happens
  
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Can you use it for dayshooting too? Just between you and me how much did the unit cost and w h at model is it? I promise I wont tell the accountant.
  
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They are aware because the shooter is standing on the back of a ute.. motor running, gunshots, maybe a very faint light reflecting off the shooters face.

Thats why not missing, ever, has its advantages.. no learned flight response behaviour.

Yes they can be used early morning, sun up and are very effective. As soon as strong sun is in the landscape, over a period of time, they become less effective as the landscape heats up.

On a cool day, or an overcast day especially if there is a wind blowing, that evens out the overall temperature, they are still effective, althought the overall picture suffers from a reduction in contrast.. hot rabbits in a cool daytime landscape still stand out like the proverbials though..  Smiley
  

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Interesting Video, wondering if any of the pros on this thread can tell me how you typically charge for jobs like this?

Have been asked to come up with a price to do some pest control on some new landscape planting areas in chch area, usually just do it for free but this commercial client is keen to pay for it and might give me the excuse to get a thermal unit  Wink. Thinking time + expenses but what is a typical hourly rate assuming you are reasonably efficient?

Apologies in advance if inappropriate to ask in this forum, just keen to have some basis for throwing some numbers at them.
  
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$60 and hour minimum, if you serious about covering your costs  They will choke but consider a gun which needs replacing depending on your choice of calibre, and probably a thermal unit costing about 8 big ones, and only has a 3 year garrantee on it.

You bring the skills and some expensive gear with you. Remember that.

There are top quality night vision scope at half the price bit that is IR illumination, not thermal.

IR illuminated is good, the good ones such as Yukon gear, but the thermal is a whole different level.

On top of the hourly rate come costs of ammo and travelling time at least one way.

What sort of range will you be shooting to?

If you do decice to buy one contact me and Ill help you in more detail.
  

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Cheers Headcase, advice much appreciated. Site is long and narrow, I would expect most shots would be within 50-75m so thinking would mostly be .22LR work, perhaps some PCP action nearer the built up areas. Have played with some DIY night vision setups - have their place but after having a look at a pulsar thermal unit recently they don't really compare! If I was going to get into any thermal gear would aim to get something suitable for longer ranges & general hunting as well as use as a spotter for general pest population surveys. Would mean i would have to put a bit more energy into finding more of these type of jobs to justify it to the powers at be at home but could actually be good filler when the landscaping slows down in winter. 

Shame no-one rents units as this would be a good way to get access on a project specific basis without massive investment.

Will just have to give them a pitch and see what happens!




  
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Ok for such a small site a much less expensive IR illuminated scope should be good enough. I have one mounted on a PCP at the moment which is proving very good for closer range in high people volume areas..

I have an older digiscope one for sale, but the newer ones are a step up so that might be the way to go.

If your looking to expand your business though a thermal is the way to go. Being able to even just film densities with a th. scope, which is  very easy and replay that to a client will give you a huge advantage.

Youll frighten the shit out of them.  Grin
  

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HC if you were  buying an ir scope what would be your choice on something like a 223



the best you can afford,   and if youve been spoilt with a taste of thermal imaging then save your money and get thermal instead as your ir scope will sit on the shelf and gather dust like mine. its just not the same  Cry

  
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Hey HC curious to know what the model and brand of your digiscope you are selling is? how much you after for it?
  
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I will pm you Jake.  Smiley
  

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Ackley wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
HC if you were  buying an ir scope what would be your choice on something like a 223



the best you can afford,   and if youve been spoilt with a taste of thermal imaging then save your money and get thermal instead as your ir scope will sit on the shelf and gather dust like mine. its just not the same  Cry



Theres some good advice there but to be fair the new IR Digiscopes are a step up from the original. I shot thousands of rabbits using a digiscope on a 10/22 with subs and cleared a whole area that was set to be 1080d, so they have their worth as a cheaper alternative.It is true though that a good thermal is lovely to use. Just a lot more money involved.

The Ir illuminated shows the eyes of the rabbit particularly well. They look back at you like a couple of big flashlights, where as the thermal shows the whole rabbit glowing like a neon sign.

On a .223 id definitely be thinking big thermal..

.17 hmr, medium size thermal but big is better..

on a .22 with subs,  Digiscope works very well. I particularly liked it in scrubby areas where the ranges were short to moderate, and the quiet subs gave a bit of an edge.


Out of interest what it the model you have gathering dust. There was one modell i did not like at all although its no longer sold.
  

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not sure what model it is HC, just went to look but wifey mustve moved or packed it (moving house fun times  Angry )   to be honest I never used it for bunnies and I should probably give it a 2nd chance as we are hitting the bunnies hard for petfood now.
I originaly got it for pig and deer control and was a waste of time on the 308 as didnt have the range I wanted, thermal handheld and maxtoch was far more effective.
  
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If you don't shoot the rabbits, there'll be no food for the wallabies  Undecided
  
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gonehuntin wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Ackley wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
HC if you were  buying an ir scope what would be your choice on something like a 223



the best you can afford,   and if youve been spoilt with a taste of thermal imaging then save your money and get thermal instead as your ir scope will sit on the shelf and gather dust like mine. its just not the same  Cry



Theres some good advice there but to be fair the new IR Digiscopes are a step up from the original. I shot thousands of rabbits using a digiscope on a 10/22 with subs and cleared a whole area that was set to be 1080d, so they have their worth as a cheaper alternative.It is true though that a good thermal is lovely to use. Just a lot more money involved.

The Ir illuminated shows the eyes of the rabbit particularly well. They look back at you like a couple of big flashlights, where as the thermal shows the whole rabbit glowing like a neon sign.

On a .223 id definitely be thinking big thermal..

.17 hmr, medium size thermal but big is better..

on a .22 with subs,  Digiscope works very well. I particularly liked it in scrubby areas where the ranges were short to moderate, and the quiet subs gave a bit of an edge.


Out of interest what it the model you have gathering dust. There was one modell i did not like at all although its no longer sold.



The new Pulsar Digisight Ultra (a Digiscope is what surgeons stick up bottoms), is significantly better than other NV scopes, competing head-on with Gen2+. It's taken a while, but they are only set to get better.

I was out last night with a thermal hand-held and the new Yukon Photon RT 6x50 mounted on my .22lr BRNO model 2. I was testing a new clip-on laser rangefinder, and it worked a treat. The farm has both orchard and flat paddock, and most misses are due to distance miscalculation. This wee LRF unit meant that every shot was within range. It's not perfect though, the read-out is a bit bright, so that need to be addressed. Hoping to give it a good workout in Tekapo next week.
  
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Yes sorry they are actually labelled a "Digisight", not scope. Its just what I always called it as it goes on the top of a gun.  Smiley
  

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Im sorry to say there is no shooting in the Mackenzie  at the moment as the virus is taking such a heavy toll on the rabbit population.  Cry
  

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Im sorry to say there is no shooting in the Mackenzie  at the moment as the virus is taking such a heavy toll on the rabbit population.  Cry


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Grin sorry Padox, sometimes id do better to just shut up. Twas dry humor.
  

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Im sorry to say there is no shooting in the Mackenzie  at the moment as the virus is taking such a heavy toll on the rabbit population.  Cry

You had me as well  Grin
  
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I was reviewing some of our video taken with the Trail and Helion. There's some pretty gory exploding rabbit sequences  Cool

I'll send a link once I've finished the vid.

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