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RABBIT BIOCONTROL IN AUSTRALIA RHDV1 K5
Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:01am
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Are there any Aussies reading this that can give me some information as to the success of the release of the K5 virus last year. From what I read it was released around June/July with quite a bit of fanfare, but since then there has only been one report I can find that indicates there have been  infected rabbits found and tested positive..

Whats the story here. Why the otherwise complete Local Body Council and  media silence on the topic.

Perhaps that it has not lived up to expectations or is it too soon to judge?

On a futher search this was found which is not very encouraging..

"""However, the anticipation is not being translated into big numbers of rabbit deaths, in the early stages of the program at least."""

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-04-03/waiting-results-calicivirus-k5-relea...
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2018 at 9:39am
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From what I can gather we can expect a mortality of around 40% if/ when it is released here.
  
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Sneaka wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 11:56am:
From what I can gather we can expect a mortality of around 40% if/ when it is released here.



Yes they seem pretty happy with 42%. 

The expectation is that it will kill a lot of rabbits that are immune to the first Virus released illegally. (Czech V351 strain in the Mackenzie 1997, 97% mortality originally )

The Immunity is, as I understand it, provided by a third  strain of the virus which has always been present and does not actually kill the rabbit but must give the rabbits immune system a leg up on surviving the originally released Czech V351 strain.

I might have got this all wrong but that's the way im reading it at the moment.

Interesting read below.
https://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/publications/newsletters/kararehe-kino/karare...

Most importantly, its interesting to note that the myxoma virus, which causes myxomatosis, was introduced into the rabbit population in Australia in  the 1950s, and initially killed well over estimated 500 million of the rabbit population, but they came back immune, and then again the introduction of the Calci virus in 1991 (causes RHD) again killed huge numbers in the warmer parts of Aussie.

But again they came back in plauge proportions, and now there is another variation of the virus been released.

As in New Zealead where the original virus worked brilliantly for a while but here we are again..

Which pretty much guarantees that whatever measures are undertaken no one is going to have to miss out on the pleasure of taking the kids for a rabbit hunt for a few generations to come.  Smiley



  

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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 8:14am
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even at a 40% kill it wont take long for numbers to bounce back to currencurrent levels.
How long does the virus persist in the environment? I understand it does rounds but Im guessing each time its effect gets less untill immunity?

Hunting a station my mate works on a few weeks ago and the rabbits were thickest id ever seen since I was a kid in central otago, twice I sat down on the hill and sat on rabbits, never had that before and every 4 or 5 steps another couple would hop away.  A brick of ammo would only last a few hundred meter walk there  Shocked

  
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We had a reasonable kill here when the virus arrived and in some areas I did a lot of thermal shooting of the remaining rabbits before the spring grass got to long. in those areas there population is almost zero but where I didn't follow up with thermal shooting they are making a good come back Angry
  
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Thats rabbits for you. Killing 40% and a bit more is like pissing in the wind.  Grin

The follow up work is ongoing and never ending, till the next virus..  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2018 at 7:55pm
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I think the % rate of kill by the K5 is without doubt being talked up by the council's .When the subject of importing K5 was first aired  ,warnings were given by these same councils that the best result  that could be expected was 30% then later on last year it suddenly jumped to 42% to match results reported in australia.They really don't know what effect it will have in NZ, however since we had a huge % of the rabbit population killed when RHD first arrive here and now once again have a huge problem Id say it will only be a short term  knock down at best.
I've have a friend that does alot of rabbit control around south Australia only last week, told me that the K5 has had a very limited effect on rabbit populations in his patch,also I read a report that in the table lands the rabbits have exploded & are now well out of control.   
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Well youve all seen it in the news.   Its coming on the 20th.

Plans have already been drawn up, delivery of the laced carrot is being organised, coordination among cockies that it get put out at the same time is underway.. its all go.

Although Im perosnally sceptical of the longer term benefits unless we have a change of mindset around alternative controll work, it cant happen at a better moment just before the winter.

Im seeing more rabbits than ever before. The task of controlling them with the resources I have is becoming very  diffucult. The numbers have reached such proportions that no matter how many you think you've dealt to in an area, within a short time they have breed back again.

  

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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2018 at 5:38pm
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I rang the Otago Regional Council today and was told, weather permitting,it's being released in the week 12-17 March in Otago, despite media releases saying late March/early April.

I've no idea if the Easter Bunny shoot is happening but I'd imagine it would be a waste of time this year.

If the expected target is only 40% success then I'm very skeptical long term as well.
  

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Pre bait stations going in down here on sun
  
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padox wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 9:50pm:
Pre bait stations going in down here on sun


Has anyone told you to stop shooting Padox?   As the virus is well transmitted by flys the few carcasses lying around cant hurt.

The Aussies have been recommending that cockies step up other eradication methods after its established.
  

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Nope haven't been told that
  
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Here they have been told to not shoot the areas  after the prefeed until a week or so after carcasses have been found. Thats ok with me..  Smiley
  

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Haha a couple of weeks off hc what u going to do with yourself
  
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Think ill go down to Fiordland with the thermal and get me one of those Wapati.  Grin

naw, only stopping in the areas that we are feeding out in. Ill also be monitoring the progress of the virus and after a bit might even pick up a few carcasses every day and redistribute them..

Then there are Wallabies.  Roll Eyes
  

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HC how do they work out how many theyve dealt to? is there before and after monitoring or do they just declare a 40% success rate anyway

im guessing some places up that way at even 40% would still be absolutley riddled with them afterwards.
  
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To get a general idea ECAN or other regional councils do a rabbit count across all stations on their list every year. That has in the past determined whether a station or other area has been put on notice to do some control work. Generally that means dropping 1080, but other methods might be acceptable if they lower numbers enough to be level 3 or below on the Maclean Scale.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/document/15274/mclean-scale-of-rabbit-infestation.

This year ECAN has not issued any notices to control but instead has decided to wait and see untill after the virus is released.  A policy that im sure was greeted with some enthusiasm by many stations. It a double edged sword. No control and save money, No control and have a lot more ecological damage take place.

The annual rabbit count, or a rabbit count, was done a few months back and then again a couple of weeks back to give them a general picture  of how many there are now. The rabbit counts cover say 15 km across a station and is usually done over a number of night, say 6 to determine the average density on that given pathway.. It always the same general route and a visual day check that involve an ecan specialist roaming around the station and doing a check.
Im not sure what the exact trigger to control is between the two inspections, but there are definate rules in place.  Poison notices are not blanket thankfully but only cover limited areas so as not to duly interfere with normal farming operations.

I suppose they will do another count in a few months to see what the averages throw up on paper..

Personally, Ive got a couple of areas Ive been counting myself using the thermal. Ill go back at intervals and see whats happening there.

Its all based on science and wishfull thinking..  Grin
  

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If they are hoping for 40% kill, my question is: why does it not kill the other 60%?
  
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If they are hoping for 40% kill, my question is: why does it not kill the other 60%?



its a virus. same as in humans viruses will not affect some, knock others and kill the rest.
if only they could find rabbit ebola or plague that kills far more.  Cheesy    will always be some resistance no matter whats used.
  
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interesting they didnt want control still prior to virus release.
youd think it would still be more effective to kill x% of controlled vs x% of an uncontrolled population. cheaper to wait I guess?
  
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gonehuntin wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
interesting they didnt want control still prior to virus release.
youd think it would still be more effective to kill x% of controlled vs x% of an uncontrolled population. cheaper to wait I guess?


I dont think that was the main thrust..

Issueing notices and forcing farmers to spent $100,000 or more, over and above their normal budget, when they are intending to release a virus 6 months down the track could be seen as applying undue financial hardship to otherwise cash strapped sheep farmers.. there is a financial consideration, poisen ops are expensive, sheep farmers have only in the last year been earning more.

I find their decision very reasonable.

The combined effort of both Ecan and all the farmers working together to make a controlled simultainious legal release is a milestone for the farming community and should be applauded as a combined postive approach to tackling the problem as a team effort.




  

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If they are hoping for 40% kill, my question is: why does it not kill the other 60%?



Ive wondered the same thing. Why does any virus not kill 100% of the host species..

If it did the virus would die out.

Interesting isnt it.
  

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gonehuntin wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 2:21pm:
Maddoghunter wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
If they are hoping for 40% kill, my question is: why does it not kill the other 60%?



its a virus. same as in humans viruses will not affect some, knock others and kill the rest.
if only they could find rabbit ebola or plague that kills far more.  Cheesy    will always be some resistance no matter whats used.

So the rabbits with natural resistance to it get to continue breeding?
I’m sure it won’t take long for the population to bounce back (pun intended).
Seems to me that the authorities are simply making a rod for their back.
  
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Nothing has stopped rabbits yet. Not mixamatosis or rhd or lead or 1080. They will be here after humans.

The virus will help a little bit but in 10 years  we will be still having a similar discussion unless we implement a biological gene variety that breed all males sterial.
  

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headcase wrote on Mar 4th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
Nothing has stopped rabbits yet. Not mixamatosis or rhd or lead or 1080. They will be here after humans.

The virus will help a little bit but in 10 years  we will be still having a similar discussion unless we implement a biological gene variety that breed all males sterial.

Or simply breeds all males.
Gotta be real careful with that sort of thing though.
If it mutated and got into livestock.......
  
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Or you could breed all females!
It wouldn't be that simple though, that many females with no males to balance them out. Imagine the emotional state of the rabbit world.
  
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Was out mustering this morning and saw a rabbit with advanced mixo so some of the rabbits that escaped the calici might not escape this out break.
I will get stuck into the thermal work now most of the grass is gone and hopefully make a big dent in the population before winter gets here
  
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Ackley wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 2:33pm:
Was out mustering this morning and saw a rabbit with advanced mixo so some of the rabbits that escaped the calici might not escape this out break.
I will get stuck into the thermal work now most of the grass is gone and hopefully make a big dent in the population before winter gets here


How high does the grass get ? I find any sparse cover helps them hold better.

How much of the rabbit population is immune to Myxomatosis?
  

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Or you could breed all females!
It wouldn't be that simple though, that many females with no males to balance them out. Imagine the emotional state of the rabbit world.

It’d be like the Labour Party.
  
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goodbye Hares as well ...what a great waste of a food source ..millions starving and we waste good protein ...sheep meat is off the menu for many house holds , but most could afford a rabbit or 3 .
  
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Has it jumped species Bazz?
  

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By the end of a good spring its knee high and then dries of and stays standing until eaten or flattened down in the autumn.
I do all my night work on foot so it doesn,t have to be real long to cause me a hassle plus the rocks make rabbit work a lot harder because of the heat they retain in summer
HC come over next spring and have a look and I'll take you out to chase sambar while your here Smiley
  
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I meant about the Hare comment. I don't think there have been report of this new virus spreading to hares in Aussie, but in Europe another similar virus is evidently killing both hares and rabbits.
  

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The THAMES district council is going to release the virus i think its not needed in thames coromandel as most farms only seem to have a small  manageable population .The council is only concerned about rabbits on reserves /golf courses and cemeterys .On my farm there are more hares than rabbits the rabbits never cause a problem here on the hauraki plains a spotlight 2-3 times a year takes care of the population on my place plus my 3 legged foxy takes care of his share. Smiley
  
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By the end of a good spring its knee high and then dries of and stays standing until eaten or flattened down in the autumn.
I do all my night work on foot so it doesn,t have to be real long to cause me a hassle plus the rocks make rabbit work a lot harder because of the heat they retain in summer
HC come over next spring and have a look and I'll take you out to chase sambar while your here Smiley


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Headcase,

In Gippsland at present rabbit numbers seem quite low. You usually see a few on the paddocks and roadsides but they have not been obvious over the past few months. I haven't seen a myxo rabbit in years so that is not what is causing this.

I was taking the dog for a walk most evenings up until three or four weeks ago and usually seeing a couple of hares and 15-25 rabbits each time. Numbers then dropped suddenly and the dog found one freshly dead under a boxthorn bush with no evidence of trauma and no evidence of poison in the area.

I assume that calici virus has pretty much eliminated this small but dense local rabbit population and has probably had a similar impact over a wider area. The local hares seem to have gone too but it could be they just moved on.

I guess that in areas in NZ with very dense populations of relatively young rabbits the new strain of calici virus might produce a high death rate as you should get rapid virus spread in a population that will probably lack innate resistance and immunity.

Every time a new virus is released here the advice to landowners is to rip burrows and remove harbour to stop them coming back but it never seems to happen in the real world.

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Thanks, Gippsland look like a really beautiful area. Ideal hare and rabbit country. Reminds me of the foothills of Canterbury.

Agree about lost opportunities. Thankfully the two main contracts I have are cockys who are fully aware of the importance of follow up work. Both have expressed privately to me they believe the biggest mistake ever made in NZ was after the illegal release of the RHD in the 90s. So many rabbits died suddenly that most cockys went out and bought a new vehicle rather than spend the money on further reduction of numbers.    Grin
  

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hauraki hunter wrote on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:15am:
The THAMES district council is going to release the virus i think its not needed in thames coromandel as most farms only seem to have a small  manageable population .The council is only concerned about rabbits on reserves /golf courses and cemeterys .On my farm there are more hares than rabbits the rabbits never cause a problem here on the hauraki plains a spotlight 2-3 times a year takes care of the population on my place plus my 3 legged foxy takes care of his share. Smiley


The good thing about hares is once you shoot numbers down, they take far longer to breed back, so control with shooting is actually possible.

Great sport and controllable if targeted annually, so would be a shame to see them disappear all together.

  

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It went out on Monday night & reports as of yesterday,dead rabbits seen .
  
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It went out on Monday night & reports as of yesterday,dead rabbits seen .


oh  really. In the Mackenzie the two prefeeds have just been done and the coordinated release is on the 20th. Im surprised it wasnt the same in Otago/Southland.

  

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Also released into Ida valley and one other site I know of at the moment ,these two sites are for landcare to check & monitor the level of effect K5 has given .Interesting times ahead but studies show, looking forward, rabbits will rebuild to present populations within 3 years. 
  
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rabbiter wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:23am:
It went out on Monday night & reports as of yesterday,dead rabbits seen .


oh  really. In the Mackenzie the two prefeeds have just been done and the coordinated release is on the 20th. Im surprised it wasnt the same in Otago/Southland.


Given the scale of this and the involvement of a number of different councils I not surprised Grin Grin
  
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interesting times.. my main employer says keep on shooting lol.
  

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The first tranche of the K5 active virus was released Mon 12 March by Landcare research staff. The sites that the virus was released last night are the “scientific sites” in the Ida Valley and the Cardrona Valley. Those are the sites that Landcare Research will be conducting their K5 impact and effectiveness monitoring post-release.
All other sites will have the active virus released from last night over the next week or so (weather dependant).

  

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rabbiter wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:23am:
It went out on Monday night & reports as of yesterday,dead rabbits seen .


oh  really. In the Mackenzie the two prefeeds have just been done and the coordinated release is on the 20th. Im surprised it wasnt the same in Otago/Southland.



sdc is a joke (arent most councils tho) I see theyve only got 5 or 6 sites they claim need releasing. some farms/stations down here have big problems but dont want to do anything and certainly wont pay for anything to be done.

  
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gonehuntin wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 11:49am:
headcase wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:31am:
rabbiter wrote on Mar 15th, 2018 at 7:23am:
It went out on Monday night & reports as of yesterday,dead rabbits seen .


oh  really. In the Mackenzie the two prefeeds have just been done and the coordinated release is on the 20th. Im surprised it wasnt the same in Otago/Southland.



sdc is a joke (arent most councils tho) I see theyve only got 5 or 6 sites they claim need releasing. some farms/stations down here have big problems but dont want to do anything and certainly wont pay for anything to be done.


It's now a users pay system and its down to landowners  to control the pest numbers on their land under the present PMS .Environment Southland  have 6 vials to release on different sites that, now hold high populations of rabbits and from there it's then going to be spread via the blow fly.Transporting dead killed K5 rabbits will help get K5 to gain a strong foot hold ,but after that its again down to land owner .Rabbits build up when no control is applied, no matter what type of  control is  undertaken .Lessons from the passed must be taken on board & a better system than the present one ,found to allow the control of these pests to be off set by a reasonable level of  value that includes the meat ,fur and bones ,until that happens nothing much is going to change .   
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Unless the farms owners are free thinking toward the future and would prefer to spend a little money every year to break the cycle of 1080 every year or 2 costing a lot more money overall. It's about education too but many farmers are a bit stuck in the  cycle of having huge numbers then a poisening.
  

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lol Just caught Wirehunt on TV giving his view on the new virus..

WELL DONE..  Smiley
  

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headcase wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
lol Just caught Wirehunt on TV giving his view on the new virus..

WELL DONE..  Smiley

I told him ,he looked like he was in a court doc & facing 40 years . Grin Grin
  
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You mean pretty good by his standards.  Grin
  

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Has any dead rabbits been spotted lying around ?
  
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Not according to gods gift to women.  Grin He went for a look yesterday and saw not one. Its been a week in that area.

It is being released in the Mackenzie at 300 different points today.

  

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Any reports of mass numbers of rabbits dying yet?If they say that they expect 40% kill rate wont the other 60% repopulate in no time and be inmune to the virus.
  
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Any reports of mass numbers of rabbits dying yet?If they say that they expect 40% kill rate wont the other 60% repopulate in no time and be inmune to the virus.

In ringing and talking with friends in central ,results are very disappointing at this stage,but given some time it might kick in.
  
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Was talking to a cocky last night who had caught 8 rabbits an put them in a cage. He Hand feed them laced carrot from day 1 since the release on the 20th.

Not one has died. He reckons they are just getting fatter.  Grin
  

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Was talking to a cocky last night who had caught 8 rabbits an put them in a cage. He Hand feed them laced carrot from day 1 since the release on the 20th.

Not one has died. He reckons they are just getting fatter.  Grin

That's VERY interesting.
  
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Was talking to a cocky last night who had caught 8 rabbits an put them in a cage. He Hand feed them laced carrot from day 1 since the release on the 20th.

Not one has died. He reckons they are just getting fatter.  Grin


sounds like youll be doin a big ammo order soon  Grin   is it possible weve had something too similar here already and resistance Or just needs time?
  
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Good question. Im still hoping it will pick up as time goes by.

Ive read that is was a very patchy start in Aussie too.

In any case the general feeling seems to be that the Aussies just pissed into a bottle and sent that over..  Grin Grin
  

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headcase wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 11:15am:
Was talking to a cocky last night who had caught 8 rabbits an put them in a cage. He Hand feed them laced carrot from day 1 since the release on the 20th.

Not one has died. He reckons they are just getting fatter.  Grin


sounds like youll be doin a big ammo order soon  Grin   is it possible weve had something too similar here already and resistance Or just needs time?

I think there's some truth to this. Our first release 20 odd years ago was "cooked"& several factors allowed it to become changed whereas the virus in aussie  remained more pure.HC is right it did have a slow start in aussie to begin with ,now dead rabbits are being found in most release sites,the % of the kill is unknown to me .
  
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40% at better spots by last reporting.

Keep on shooting gentlemen.
  

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Has just been released up here in hawkes bay.
  
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Still optimistic, but nothing to report so far.  Smiley
  

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It's a complete flop...all this time waiting on approval by authorities and not one trial of caught wild grey rabbit organised before release to make sure it is effective.
Zero kills from ORC release sights from my sources...Watch the blame game start from Council to EPA etc....if media get a hold of the whole flop and poor handling of release will be entertaining if truth comes out...running around looking for farms to release virus in the 11th hour is not good management IMO
I laughed when on TV I saw massive circles on map by ORC Director Scott Mclean showing release sights bigger than some town's and districts...reminded me of the 7Days segment 'my kid could draw that'
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Interesting we update Headcase...I will make some inquiries as no real detail provided...I will follow with interest.
Some authorities will be sleeping a little bit easier but still no signs of it meeting expected target rate. It is only 6weeks in since final release in Otage though.
  
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Update: Not one confirmed death from virus release so far in Otago.
Headcase I will send you a more thorough update.
  
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The advantages of doing regular controll work.

  This 1000 hectare block consisting of 1/3 rolling undeveloped Tussock and two thirds Pine and developed paddocks, bounded by a deep creek, the state highway, the Tekapo canal and on the South end a large piece of public land, has been shot regularly for the last six years and bits of it Pindoned with pellets every year were it was needed. (Mothers little helper)

When we started shooting for petfood three guys could take 600 rabbits a night home. Later we slowed down shooting for petfood and just started doing mostly S&D and Pindone.  This pic was taken bout 3 years back, same time as now,  one shooter, rabbits right to the end of the fence you can see.  180 maybe.. from bout 200 hectares of the block. 

Spent 6 hours in there last night going over the whole thing,  with a thermal and shot 40 rabbits.

Huge difference. Control work is now relatively cheap.. just needs a tune up occasionally and a bit of mother's helper if they are getting  stropy. Fat bastards too, they dont get that big these days. Grin





  

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Yeah pindone in hard to shoot, scrubby, steep areas or extremely high numbers a good option.
Problem quite often is once poisoned problem solved in May minds. It's the mop up work that is most ignored but most important.
Farmers have a hard time doing the pros of a ped control operator getting paid to shoot 40 rabbits for night.
Education and a govt even if local backed sceme to promote follow up work is the answer.
  
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They should all buy a Pindone spreader. Often they are that tight when they Pindone they put out too little and hardly follow through with a second and third application.. and then lower the number of survivors with regular shooting. Not shy to say Pindone doesn't work though over a beer.

half them wouldn't know what  your talking about but they all know how to controll rabbits. 

Do nothing and hope for a virusGrin

I had a guy told me it didnt work because hed put out 20 tons of it and not much happened. I went to have a look later with a thermal and saw 10s of thousands of rabbits spread across the given area. No wonder it never worked, they all got one pellet.

Sometimes the 1080 looks like a good solution.  Roll Eyes
  

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Choosing the correct time and place to spread is the key...i agree fully with application rate as I too have seen  scrimping with follow up applications...pindone used correctly is an awesome tool and the good thing about it is it can be used often as due to long injestion and slow kill period the rabbits that get sub lethal are unaware of what made them sick and will feed on it again...1080 one chance and no room for era with rabbits on most occasions.
  
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I wonder why the Rabbit virus was released at the end of summer, instead of during the hot summer months, if they are going to rely on the fly as well to help spread it. As most of us know here in N.Z. during the winter months there are bugger all. Roll Eyes
  
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The authorities will claim its optimum time with breeding cycles etc..blah blah blah...an argument could be had to do it anytime other than spring really...but to be honest I laugh at the time it was delayed for sign off and no real tight and well co-ordinated ground plan put in place
Problem is that Authorities and local Govt very good at justifying and bambozling public with facts and reason most uneducated accept on industries just like pest control...
On the plus side Wallaby hunting in 15years will be great in Cromwell, Alex and Nasby! Grin Grin Grin
  
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Seems EO is reporting some dead rabbits due to K5 but the cunning buggers don't mention any numbers . Cheesy Cheesy
  
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Its good round Nasby already,i heard a couple of roos were shot while guys out hunting for stags.
  

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Duxbac wrote on Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:14pm:
I wonder why the Rabbit virus was released at the end of summer, instead of during the hot summer months, if they are going to rely on the fly as well to help spread it. As most of us know here in N.Z. during the winter months there are bugger all. Roll Eyes


Yes good thought and valid. Ive read that the K5 virus does well in a cooler climate so there may have been some confusion as to just what a temperature range constitutes a cooler climate. I doubt theres anywhere thats farmed in Oz that cool in winter actually compares to the coldness of areas in Otago and Canerbury.

The time of the year thats considered cool in Oz is just plain cold in NZ..

In the Mackenzie there hasnt been a single confirmation of killing rabbits till now but perhaps it just hasnt reached the news yet..

still waiting....perhaps someone from ecan knows something different.
  

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Not a thing happening down here eather best keep that thermal warmed up hc
  
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It's known that the virus can wait up to a year for another host so while it may not make much head way during the winter it well might kick off come spring.
  
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It's known that the virus can wait up to a year for another host so while it may not make much head way during the winter it well might kick off come spring.

This is not what authorities were planning for though...They took this time frame of spreading virus to optimise infection rate and get a kill count...all along ORC has said secondary control methods will need to be undertaken in winter and not to start until virus has done its thing...well nearly 8weeks has passed and another 4weeks and we are in winter....
So it looks like secondary control will fast track to initial control method if something does not happen quick smart!
Farmers have held of poison control methods on request and heavily rabbit infested farms are at breaking point with rabbit problem....
The only reason bugger all info or updates arnt coming through media is because the authorities having nothing positive to share...but an honest update of situation is needed including retweeking of message around control programmes this winter...
  
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Deer Whisperer wrote on Apr 29th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
rabbiter wrote on Apr 29th, 2018 at 9:49am:
It's known that the virus can wait up to a year for another host so while it may not make much head way during the winter it well might kick off come spring.

This is not what authorities were planning for though...They took this time frame of spreading virus to optimise infection rate and get a kill count...all along ORC has said secondary control methods will need to be undertaken in winter and not to start until virus has done its thing...well nearly 8weeks has passed and another 4weeks and we are in winter....
So it looks like secondary control will fast track to initial control method if something does not happen quick smart!
Farmers have held of poison control methods on request and heavily rabbit infested farms are at breaking point with rabbit problem....
The only reason bugger all info or updates arnt coming through media is because the authorities having nothing positive to share...but an honest update of situation is needed including retweeking of message around control programmes this winter...

I agree,seems alot of landowners layed off on control awaiting the K5 release however this rabbit problem has been building for a number of years yet some landowners have done little in the way of control work instead relying the old virus to kill rabbits when in some areas it hasn't ,these areas have become much larger now as a result.At one site only in aussie K5 had the best result of 47% in Nz it was excepted that our rabbits would be effected to lesser % yet nobody asked what are we planing on doing with the other 63% left alive?
 
  
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Yes...it's a huge problem and I believe way past control now...hopes were pinned on this virus as a tool to get on top of problem then start some descent control programmes...
Although the new virus might well show some effects soon or in the future, it is not measuring up to expectations and very disheartening to all involved from farmers those who played part in getting it released...
I'm more dissapointed Authorities arnt front footing things better. If this release was as expected you bet they would have been heard taking credit and exhausting all media opportunities like prior to release...
They just need to front up and update people invested in the viability of this virus showing some positive effects!
  
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Makes rabbiters look great again.  Grin
  

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Makes rabbiters look great again.  Grin


yep but trying to get cockies to pay for its another thing, a new ute and overseas holiday always seems to come ahead of pest control.


  
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ORC on website request people to be patient and full effects could be six weeks or more..
I guess we are well and true my in the more category now and suspect if nothing substantial happens in month of May then September onwards will be the next window of hope!
Until then what!..i suspect without some updating people will be put shooting rabbits...some already have got back into it and given up any hope of virus having an impact...
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The ODT reported something totaly different today.

The experts are saying it should spread in a 20km radius form every release site over the winter..

This according to the information given to farmers around here is at total loggerheads.

They were told reportedly,, that it would spread within days..also most had no idea it was only a projected 40% kill rate. They all had visions of piles of dead rabbits blocking the driveway. Either the cockys wernt listening at the meetings they had, or the information was not given out in a consistent and understandable way. 

This is why its so very important to get the correct information disseminated right from day one.. this avoids high and false expectations.

  

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=1204214...
First signs of some truth to effectiveness of virus release...As expected ORC have washed hands with it and not offering any comment and happy to pass on to anothe agency lol...
I'd just get on with secondary control of I were a farmer...Poison and shooting here we come...  Tongue
  
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Going to order two tons of pellets this week, ready for the coming colder month.  Wink

Im leaving alone the immediate areas around where the virus was released though in the hope that it will take foot there.
  

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My mate in Tarras says there has been no effect as yet.
He's hoping the late winter burrow time will knock the spring splurge over.
  

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The K5 release had little impact in my neck of the woods.
Every year there is a die off period to both RHDV and mixo, I’d say about 40% is a good estimation.
Keeps them in check.

I’ve never seen number like in your pic headcase, how are the fences now ? Smiley
  
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Actually the cocky had come in early morning and cut all the strands bout 300 meters further back because he was removing all  the fences before installation of pivot irrigation.  He then drove long, and saw all the rabbits. Gave me a phone call at 8am all worried that a couple had dropped on the ground lol..

He was quite impressed though.

I have a picture that I cant find of round 5000 gutted rabbits all hung along a fence in the shade of a shelterbelt. It was deep winter and the shooters left them there in the freezing temerature and shade for 4 days adding to them everynight.. They were desened for pet food. A really impressive pic. Wish I could find it.
  

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Hi In Western Australia we have seen a rapid decline in rabbit numbers in southern WA properties but a return of numbers in Northern Wa properties, why I dont know maybe the northern propertys due to some reason got a weak dose and built up an immunity.
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https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/rural-life-other/farmer-claims-k5-rabbit-virus-...

New ORC boss could use this failure as a blueprint for her restructure proposal... Grin
  
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Releasing RHDV2 I doubt will help either ,it has alot to do with the way the illegal release was handled 21 years ago.Mistakes were made and now seems there's a price to pay. 
  
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It will be rolled out as the main factor in the failure of this virus for sure...and I'd say it's fair to a point...but really the failure was disbanding a structured control programme and not replacing with a plausable alternative and then farmers taking things into their own hands...
What lead to the illegal release is the problem...not the release itself!
  
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It will be rolled out as the main factor in the failure of this virus for sure...and I'd say it's fair to a point...but really the failure was disbanding a structured control programme and not replacing with a plausable alternative and then farmers taking things into their own hands...
What lead to the illegal release is the problem...not the release itself!


Yes that sounds right.  Lets put things in perspective. It was realeased illegally out of desperation. The effects where stunning round here in the Mackenzie. There were thousands of white bellies visable within a week. I have been assurred the air stunk of rotting flesh for 3 weeks.

I imagine it had a similar effect in Otago.

Everyone patted themselves on the back and relaxed again thinking that was that. Problem solved. Any rabbit control work that might of been planned was shelved. There was little or no follow up work done. That was a big mistake.


  

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I would imagine the LLOBC would have to be nuked before any attempt be made to eradicate rabbits,,cant see that ever happening  Cool
All sorts have been trying to do the impossible for many decades and tiday they are still pissin into the wind Grin
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I would imagine the LLOBC would have to be nuked before any attempt be made to eradicate rabbits,,cant see that ever happening  Cool
All sorts have been trying to do the impossible for many decades and tiday they are still pissin into the wind Grin
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Deer Whisperer wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 3:56pm:
It will be rolled out as the main factor in the failure of this virus for sure...and I'd say it's fair to a point...but really the failure was disbanding a structured control programme and not replacing with a plausable alternative and then farmers taking things into their own hands...
What lead to the illegal release is the problem...not the release itself!


Yes that sounds right.  Lets put things in perspective. It was realeased illegally out of desperation. The effects where stunning round here in the Mackenzie. There were thousands of white bellies visable within a week. I have been assurred the air stunk of rotting flesh for 3 weeks.

I imagine it had a similar effect in Otago.

Everyone patted themselves on the back and relaxed again thinking that was that. Problem solved. Any rabbit control work that might of been planned was shelved. There was little or no follow up work done. That was a big mistake.




The effects were stunning in all 3 rabbit prone areas of the SI  (Central, McKenzie and inland Marlborough).
Really great example of "taking advantage" is Middlehurst in the Awatere. Been through there a few times and hard to believe what the country used to look like compared with today. I probably saw it at its worst; no different to Earnscleugh or Sawdon for that matter.
Just a different attitude and different approach to farm management once the virus tipped the rabbits over in 98
  
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the rabbits are very visible today on Sawdon, even though the bloke does his best with annual pindone carrot. Its a big area though.  Roll Eyes
  

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Not sure if this is connected but there has been a 875% increase in barn owl sickness reports since last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-12/something-killing-barn-owls-in-victoria/99...
  
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The rat poison in vermin explanation is the most likely explanation. I observe similar every year in dead hawks behind Pindone poisonings after they start consuming poisoned rabbits.

Should be easy to test for.
  

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Seems strange such a large increase over the year before.

I thought there could be a starvation issue at play instead.
  
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