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How to stop dog getting keen on rabbits
Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:32pm
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Any you fellas have any tips on training a dog to not bolt after rabbits?
She's going to be a deer dog so the last thing i want is her taking off after them, possums to i guess.

There's rabbits galore where i live and while out walking her (on a long line) she's started to get a bit more keen on them. She'll start eyeing them up quite hard when ever they're in view,
A few days days back while coming up to some bushes she stated showing some eye and sneaking in really slowly and then a rabbit took off when we got about 1m away. She tried to take off after it i think but the long line stopped her, i gave her a growl and a yank then carried on.

Just thought there might be a good way to nip it in the butt before it becomes to much of a problem.

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Re: How to stop dog getting keen on rabbits
Reply #1 - Dec 13th, 2017 at 5:58am
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Completely ignore them and growl her if she even looks at them
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2017 at 8:00am
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Rabbits are a high level distraction. Start by removing them from the training environment.

The tricky bit about the forum is that there's eyeing up a rabbit and there's EYEING UP A RABBIT.  Hard to say witch.

Once you have the final product having loads of rabbits nearby is going to be an asset.  You could even reintroduce chasing a few once you have the obedience sorted.   Excellent acid test on a top command.


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Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:26am
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You need a bombproof stop command. The dog will learn after a wile that the rabbits are not the intended game animal.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:35pm
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What Stug says. Took a while but my terrier will now just point and wait for me to either allow it, or call her away.

The stop, or drop command has to be first taught sans rabbit.  Smiley
  

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Reply #5 - Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:54pm
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Reply #6 - Dec 14th, 2017 at 9:12am
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Do you want some ideas on how to teach a stop at distance or are you up to speed on that bit?
  

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Re: How to stop dog getting keen on rabbits
Reply #7 - Dec 14th, 2017 at 9:46pm
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Yer any tips would be great.

She's only ever been on a long line so never further away from me than 7 or 8m when out of her run. She'll go on a stop pretty good when asked under no to little distraction.
I'm starting to increase the distraction bit by bit while she's on a stop. Should i start trying to get her to go on a stop under a bit more distraction?
  
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No rabbits yet.  Does she walk and stop everytime on a loose line. ?  It she does you can move to a place where there are zero distractions for a training and have the dog stop without the line as a further step. Start real easy with the dog close to you building to that same distance as with the line. 

At the same time keep doing some trainings with the line. Your looking to keep alternating for a while. On the line you can introduce some more distractions, people, different enviroment, but no rabbits yet.

This is not all done in a week. Its best to train this over a couple of weeks or more. Depends on the results your getting. The longer you train this with 100% compliance and no cockups the better the end result will be so steady as she goes is the key. Always stop your trainings on a high point. If something goes not to plan break it off. go back to just the line for a while.

There are other things you can do to introduce different situations and keep the dog interested and focused on you. Do you have a reward or toy for the dog. Not saying you have to but just intersted as these can also be used to reinforce of shape behaviours.

Make it fun anyway.

We can chat about it...


  

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Reply #9 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 9:34am
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Headcase,

Please  could you go over your stop technique on the long line.   Im interested to know if you teach a stop (stand)   or  an anchored stop (sit). 

Its some thing i need to sharpen  up, with my 13mnth old lab , who has  range control  off the long line , but is  reluctant to stop sharply without me getting right on top of her to get the pressure on.  She will still often requires a push down on her back end, to Finally get her to stop (sit).   Or she will turn on verbal command ("hiss"  or  "sit" )  and return to me and then require the pressure.



  
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[quote author=6A67636661637167020 link=1513110749/8#8 date=1513323969]No rabbits yet.  Does she walk and stop everytime on a loose line. ?  It she does you can move to a place where there are zero distractions for a training and have the dog stop without the line as a further step. Start real easy with the dog close to you building to that same distance as with the line. 

At the same time keep doing some trainings with the line. Your looking to keep alternating for a while. On the line you can introduce some more distractions, people, different enviroment, but no rabbits yet.

This is not all done in a week. Its best to train this over a couple of weeks or more. Depends on the results your getting. The longer you train this with 100% compliance and no cockups the better the end result will be so steady as she goes is the key. Always stop your trainings on a high point. If something goes not to plan break it off. go back to just the line for a while.

There are other things you can do to introduce different situations and keep the dog interested and focused on you. Do you have a reward or toy for the dog. Not saying you have to but just intersted as these can also be used to reinforce of shape behaviours.

Make it fun anyway.

We can chat about it...

Walks and stops when i do? Yer she's pretty good, occasionally will walk a metre or 2 before shes noticed I've stopped if her heads down sniffing.
I only need to touch the line a couple times while walking now.
Shes pretty good around most distractions, just when she sees a rabbit her ears prick up and she'll stop, walk a few metres, stop and repeat and her eyes widen up as if she got the chance she would be off.
My main worry i wont see the rabbit until to late for eg if we're walking along and shes sniffing away in a bush or walking thru long grass and theres a rabbit within a metre, rabbit get spooked and takes off and she goes after it while im not holding the line.
I guess im worried she'll forever be wanting to catch rabbits after that.
I spose i was hoping there was some magic way to tell the dog that rabbits are bad, like a rabbit aversion training system and that she would then completely understand and id never have a problem  Grin
Is it just a matter of working on control, descent stop and ignoring the rabbits?
  
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Re: How to stop dog getting keen on rabbits
Reply #11 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 2:07pm
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Some one might suggest the EC but you can do it without that by the sound of things. ECs can have unexpected consequences in making the dog timid to all things. My experience anyway.

Do you also have a stop or leave it command. It would be wise to start building one in if your talking an emergency stop or drop, which will serve you well in general and untill she forgets about rabbits as Stug and others have talked about.
  

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Stagrinon wrote on Dec 15th, 2017 at 9:34am:
Headcase,

Please  could you go over your stop technique on the long line.   Im interested to know if you teach a stop (stand)   or  an anchored stop (sit). 

Its some thing i need to sharpen  up, with my 13mnth old lab , who has  range control  off the long line , but is  reluctant to stop sharply without me getting right on top of her to get the pressure on.  She will still often requires a push down on her back end, to Finally get her to stop (sit).   Or she will turn on verbal command ("hiss"  or  "sit" )  and return to me and then require the pressure.

      


Hey you are probably the better or more current trainer than me, but I want to talk about it and can talk on the broader principles of training dogs with some assurance.

As Lovitt says as we are not watching each other and offering comments on the spot so we need to talk a bit more to build a picture..

What is your command when telling the dog to stop (sit) so we are talking the same language? when I offer some comments.

Your obviously wanting the dog to just stop within a step on your command wherever it is in relation to you,  which can be broken down into small bits and then sewn together to obtain the desired behaviour.
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 15th, 2017 at 2:51pm
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Have to agree diving in too soon with out the background can cause a few issues.   Grin.

Okay, the verbal command for a stop (sit )  is "Sit".   I also use a Hiss  (  lots of sSSSssss).   Flat palm raised for the non verbal.

The desired behaviour,  is to stop sit and stay put.    

We could talk about her auto stop too , which is to stand still and not move any futher forward,  this should be in unison with me stopping. This works a little better when I do it more abruptly,  and the body language is more pronounced, But I have the same issue with her turning back and coming to me rather than staying put. 
   

  
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Do you work with any rewards Stagrinnon (tactile, verbal, toy, food) while you train, or is your reward an occasional good dog  and/or a bit of lavish verbal praise/game when the training is over?

Im not talking about the finished product in the field,, just training something. By the time your working a dog in the field the reward is the task.  Smiley
  

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