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Id say without doubt that the hubble rabbit is now back ,in some areas in huge numbers.I for one aren't the least bit surprised & it looks like its set to continue .
  
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Yet I'd say numbers are at the lowest I've seen them since I been down here surprising considering tarras i.e. home of the rabbit
  
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Id say without doubt that the hubble rabbit is now back ,in some areas in huge numbers.I for one aren't the least bit surprised & it looks like its set to continue .



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Yet I'd say numbers are at the lowest I've seen them since I been down here surprising considering tarras i.e. home of the rabbit


I was working out of Tarras for quite a while,used ti see ol Wong quite a bit in those days..
$5 a bunny at one stage till the cocky clicked  Grin Grin
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That would have been very big money.. and the best bit, theres never the last one shot.
  

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I was working out of Tarras for quite a while,used ti see ol Wong quite a bit in those days..
$5 a bunny at one stage till the cocky clicked  Grin Grin
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Its a fact that rabbit numbers have climbed steeply over the last ten years ,reports are most of the hot spots in the south Island  including Southland  also  around lake taupo in the north all  have alot of rabbits now  .Several times a week the phone rings asking for help to address a growing problem.  Farmers and land owners are screaming out for the release of the K5 expected in march 2018,but given the expected % rate of kill its not going to be the answer,only another tool in the box. The battle against the rabbit is a very old one ,its had alot thrown at it and yet hes still with us .
  
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Yes a lot of $ gets spent round this area on control most is dun with a helicopter
  
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Should be charging $90 an hour.  Grin
  

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padox wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Yes a lot of $ gets spent round this area on control most is dun with a helicopter


So like a lot of methods the numbers shot are high at first but drops off rapidly as more and more rabbits become helicopter shy.

I can detect a helicopter approaching from at least a km, and a rabbit probably from further.  After two or three passes over an area there are thousands of rabbits left that are chopper/gun shy.. You wont see them again but they are there breeding, and litter after litter are trained in flight response, down the hole, to the sound of shots, or the chopper approaching by their savy mature rabbit elders.

In the end the problem may become worse..

I used to watch em at dawn racing into the distance from 500m away as I drove across the barren rabbit warren and totally eroded landscape on Maryburn Station. Dozens of em disappearing into the distance and down  warrens, long before youd have seen them in the dark with a spot.

Posen is the answer, and then a follow up shoot later on to polish off a few of the survivors.


  

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I shot 141 two weekends back with the 223 down in Tarras.
  

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We don't see a lot of chopper shy 1s we do do follow up shoots etc last run I think was 53 out of machine 5 shot for a night with the light
  
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After this extremely wet winter I thought to myself, at least it will have knocked the bunny population hard this year....Ha! Haven't see this many bunnies about Taupo for yonks!!!

Then I went and spent 10 days down around Queenstown recently, and realised we don't have a bunny problem in Taupo, we have a few cute furry critters about. Now Queenstown and environs, now THEY have a bunny problem. Ye gods they are everywhere Shocked Shocked Shocked
  
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After this extremely wet winter I thought to myself, at least it will have knocked the bunny population hard this year....Ha! Haven't see this many bunnies about Taupo for yonks!!!

Then I went and spent 10 days down around Queenstown recently, and realised we don't have a bunny problem in Taupo, we have a few cute furry critters about. Now Queenstown and environs, now THEY have a bunny problem. Ye gods they are everywhere Shocked Shocked Shocked

I have a ex rabbit board mate whos been contacting around the bottom  of lake taupo . Over the last few years he reports a rising population in pockets of course,this now has caused DOC (who never spent a penny unless its required) to
to pay him to action some of their land . Some night shoots hes shooting a couple of hundred .Hes just spent two weeks solid gassing and filling in warrens on several farms.
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There are so few rabbits here in Marlborough that my mate has just sold his spotlight truck and the rabbit shooters club is now purely social
  

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There are so few rabbits here in Marlborough that my mate has just sold his spotlight truck and the rabbit shooters club is now purely social


Dammit Flintlock, you and your mates have shot the last one.
  

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padox wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Yes a lot of $ gets spent round this area on control most is dun with a helicopter


So like a lot of methods the numbers shot are high at first but drops off rapidly as more and more rabbits become helicopter shy.

I can detect a helicopter approaching from at least a km, and a rabbit probably from further.  After two or three passes over an area there are thousands of rabbits left that are chopper/gun shy.. You wont see them again but they are there breeding, and litter after litter are trained in flight response, down the hole, to the sound of shots, or the chopper approaching by their savy mature rabbit elders.

In the end the problem may become worse..

I used to watch em at dawn racing into the distance from 500m away as I drove across the barren rabbit warren and totally eroded landscape on Maryburn Station. Dozens of em disappearing into the distance and down  warrens, long before youd have seen them in the dark with a spot.

Posen is the answer, and then a follow up shoot later on to polish off a few of the survivors.



Thats interesting and something I already knew first hand ,when about 5 years ago a station owner from along the shores of lake Dunsdan contacted me seeking some work to be done around some old mine tailings .A mornings work with the dogs did not result in many(65) given the areas rabbit history  .The owner got very excited when I passed on my tally and asked me to return the very next weekend to undertake more work,something I couldn't really understand till the manager informed me the owner had used his chopper over the same area the morning before I arrived for a total of 15 .He also told me of one gully that had a black rabbit living in it & if I managed to get that, he would consider it a test . I sneaked up where I spotted several normal colored rabbits out feeding along with "darky ' but decided to leave him and shoot one of the others to better gauge how "gun shy" they were .With the one shot "darky" disappeared under ground & wasn't seen again that day on my many checks .The next day I worked out that gullie by other methods & recovered a total of 3 black bunnies,that seemed to make  the land owner even MORE excited  but given the task, I passed on any more work as it appeared to be almost a full time job .I cant comment on the state of the rabbit population on that place now but I'm picking nothing much will have changed unless control has a lifted effort these days.
  
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Lol,, I also just turned down more work on a station that had had/has a huge history of chronic rabbit overpopulation syndrome.

Recently asked to just clear the rabbits on 400 hectares flat and deer fenced land, me and  Striker turned up the 1st evening an went to shoot just 3 of the paddocks under the scrubby hillsides.   Using a thermal we can count rabbits over a wide field of view out to about 1km. They were streaming down off the hillsides and coming through the broken rabbit fence in little waves like the ocean running up onto a shallow sandy beach.

1st night we averaged 100/hour using a semi auto, shooting strings of 10 at a time. They were everywhere around the vehicle.

after resting for a week 2nd night was a bit slower but still ok.

after resting for a few more nights, 3rd night shooting was pretty slow but still getting a few.

4th night  went back on my own and walked in for a good look with the thermal. 

I was stunned to see probably twice as many as the 1st night.  Had literally possibly 5000 rabbits strung out over a 1km by 1km quadrant, over the paddocks and up on the slopes above. But around me within 200 meters there were only a few. Little waves of rabbits were moving away from me like the bow wave of a boat as I progressed across the terrain.

Gave up and went home. Rung the bloke the next morning and recommended he make a 5 year plan and 1080 the whole station.
  

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I was working out of Tarras for quite a while,used ti see ol Wong quite a bit in those days..
$5 a bunny at one stage till the cocky clicked  Grin Grin
Nice area.

What blocks? [/quote]

Started on Richard Snows in the Lindis then Tinburn,out to and around the Fat mans hut area,,big trout out their,can still see them Shocked
Then up into Ida Valley,Moa crk.Blackstone ridge,list goes on.Used ti work up around the Oldman rock area also.Just cant remember all the big blocks names now.
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That would have been very big money.. and the best bit, theres never the last one shot.


That was a great earner fi sure,two of us were involved.
Bendigo was the spot.Went down ti $3  Roll Eyes talk about slaughter on tenth avenue  Grin
  

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The lower reaches of Bendigo are covered in grapes these days.

Guess what, the rabbits are still there.  Roll Eyes

Our mutual friend, Steve the Terrible is making good coin shooting rabbits in vineyards and dogging life style blocks. Hes camped just across the lake..  Grin
  

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The lower reaches of Bendigo are covered in grapes these days.

Guess what, the rabbits are still there.  Roll Eyes

Our mutual friend, Steve the Terrible is making good coin shooting rabbits in vineyards and dogging life style blocks. Hes camped just across the lake..  Grin


Yeah had a few trips down there aways back,grape city all right. Surely we got the last bugs..hard ti imagine there's any left  Roll Eyes
S the terrible  Grin I like that..he's doin what he likes eh.
The big Maori is still throwin plenty of lead not far from your turf,,doing alright also.
  

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The big Maori is still throwin plenty of lead not far from your turf,,doing alright also.

He was spending a lot of time on my turf.  Roll Eyes Grin so I shot the last wallaby and now hes a bit upset about that .

  

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The big Maori is still throwin plenty of lead not far from your turf,,doing alright also.

He was spending a lot of time on my turf.  Roll Eyes Grin so I shot the last wallaby and now hes a bit upset about that .


The poachin bastard....I taught him well  Grin
  

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Lol,, I also just turned down more work on a station that had had/has a huge history of chronic rabbit overpopulation syndrome.

Recently asked to just clear the rabbits on 400 hectares flat and deer fenced land, me and  Striker turned up the 1st evening an went to shoot just 3 of the paddocks under the scrubby hillsides.   Using a thermal we can count rabbits over a wide field of view out to about 1km. They were streaming down off the hillsides and coming through the broken rabbit fence in little waves like the ocean running up onto a shallow sandy beach.

1st night we averaged 100/hour using a semi auto, shooting strings of 10 at a time. They were everywhere around the vehicle.

after resting for a week 2nd night was a bit slower but still ok.

after resting for a few more nights, 3rd night shooting was pretty slow but still getting a few.

4th night  went back on my own and walked in for a good look with the thermal. 

I was stunned to see probably twice as many as the 1st night.  Had literally possibly 5000 rabbits strung out over a 1km by 1km quadrant, over the paddocks and up on the slopes above. But around me within 200 meters there were only a few. Little waves of rabbits were moving away from me like the bow wave of a boat as I progressed across the terrain.

Gave up and went home. Rung the bloke the next morning and recommended he make a 5 year plan and 1080 the whole station.

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headcase wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 4:34pm:
The lower reaches of Bendigo are covered in grapes these days.

Guess what, the rabbits are still there.  Roll Eyes

Our mutual friend, Steve the Terrible is making good coin shooting rabbits in vineyards and dogging life style blocks. Hes camped just across the lake..  Grin


Yeah had a few trips down there aways back,grape city all right. Surely we got the last bugs..hard ti imagine there's any left  Roll Eyes
S the terrible  Grin I like that..he's doin what he likes eh.
The big Maori is still throwin plenty of lead not far from your turf,,doing alright also.

Steve the terrible always has done what he likes  Grin Grin Grin
  
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I'm driving night tours for star gazers,the amount of rabbits I see on the roads around town and up the mount is bloody amazing.Some areas in town would have 20 rabbits in the area of a double garage.Last night I would have seen a 100 small ones the size of a big coffee mug.
I could do with 2 shooters on the roof of the bus.That would make for a interesting night. Grin Grin
  

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There are as many rabbits in South Canterbury as stars in the Cosmos.  Cheesy
  

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No, just get payed for driving gazers there so I can buy ammo,salmon gear and diesel. Wink
  

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No, just get payed for driving gazers there so I can buy ammo,salmon gear and diesel. Wink

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What about you an me get together Trout. Ill hold your bus up off the quad as it climbs up Mt John. A variation on the old highwayman theme. Lots more loot to buy ammo.  Cheesy
  

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Nobody wants 60s + chippy anymore,unemployed for a month in chch,umbelievable.So went hunting twice a week around canterbury.Lots of deer around.👍
  

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Are you a star gazer Trout?.
No, just get payed for driving gazers there so I can buy ammo,salmon gear and diesel. Wink

Hes a female barrtocks gazer as well .....it goes hand in hand with the bus driving Roll Eyes ...oh to have a perk like that ..... Cool Cool
  
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Krico25 wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
Are you a star gazer Trout?.
No, just get payed for driving gazers there so I can buy ammo,salmon gear and diesel. Wink

Hes a female barrtocks gazer as well .....it goes hand in hand with the bus driving Roll Eyes ...oh to have a perk like that ..... Cool Cool


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Back to the office. Went out night before last on the Quad shooting from whats known as Willow Ford along the embankment eaten out by eons of water erosion. Flatish plain with a high bank on the left and sparse scrubby bits all the way  running out onto the flats and not thick, so easy to drive between and also use as cover.

Started at twilight and the big blood moon had not yet risen over the range behind me, so there was a kind of perpetual twilight going on as darkness fell but the full moon rose ever higher at my back, still hidden by the mountains. Was shooting with a Ruger 10/22 and Win subs, with a XD50 thermal as a scope. The subs range and the XD fit very well together.

I knew from reports there were going to be a lot of rabbits along this stretch, and had also spotted way too many skittling across the nearby road at night while returning from wallaby shooting a bit futher up the valley. The subs seemed like a good choice for the first pass before rocking up with something noiseier.

Almost immediatly there were a lot of rabbits in front of me. Out to 70m everything was on the table but I could already see dozens further out feeding on the flat in longer grass under the embankment. 

The important thing at this point is to stay calm..easier said than done. When there are so many rabbits in sight its easy to get a bit excited.  Next its important to not miss, so take your time, but not too long. There are conflicting priorties to optimize a maximum kill in this situation. Its scan, confirm first target, decide on shooting direction, fire,  move to the next target and just use your ears to confirm the previous rabbit was hit.. keep fireing and change mag, reload,change mag. All going well youll empty 2 mags and reload before the rabbits a lttle futher out have even decided to move.

I only use 10 shot mags prefering a flat surface under the gun to assist with fast target aquisition between shots.

The twilight was helpfull. I didnt need a light at all to move forward with the quad.. just reload and very slowly move another 30 meters. Have a look, and the rabbits were all just as before, just alert and looking in my general direction but undecided what was happening.

Unload another 20 rounds and move forward again. They were like glued to the ground and soon I was moving through a field of carcasses their white bellys lighting the way.  Still they held and still they were mown down.. it went on for a long time and I was putting near 20 on the clicker every time.

And then the moon rose above the peaks behind me and the whole dynamic changed.  They became more aware where and what the danger was and started moving away. My kill rate dropped from almost 100% in a shootable arc in front to about 50%. It was sobering to observe.


  

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160 in the first flush. . 1 hour 30 bout. Was moving slowly and lottsa time just looking ahead and getting a picture before shooting, so the shooting bit was quick.  After that slowed down took bout 2 hours to find and shoot another 50, though I did move off into less productive terrain to make sure Id covered the area id set to do that evening. 

Ive generally had a rule of thumb to wait untill well after dark and let them fill their bellys before starting to shoot. Not always but never in any hurry to get started.

Lotsa time I have noted that just as darkness is falling I do pick up a lot.  dont need a light to drive around and no light needed useing the thermal, so that appears to keep them calm.

Only did bout 400m of the embankment. Theres still another 2km to go..

160 might not sound a lot in 400m but thats not what its about for me. Its about shooting every last visable rabbit and no survivors, hence when the percentage of rabbits shot dropped, I stopped and moved to another terrain.

The moral of the story is, dont educate rabbits to flight by missing them and giving them a second chance..  Grin
  

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160 in the first flush. . 1 hour 30 bout. Was moving slowly and lottsa time just looking ahead and getting a picture before shooting, so the shooting bit was quick.  After that slowed down took bout 2 hours to find and shoot another 50, though I did move off into less productive terrain to make sure Id covered the area id set to do that evening. 

Ive generally had a rule of thumb to wait untill well after dark and let them fill their bellys before starting to shoot. Not always but never in any hurry to get started.

Lotsa time I have noted that just as darkness is falling I do pick up a lot.  dont need a light to drive around and no light needed useing the thermal, so that appears to keep them calm.

Only did bout 400m of the embankment. Theres still another 2km to go..

160 might not sound a lot in 400m but thats not what its about for me. Its about shooting every last visable rabbit and no survivors, hence when the percentage of rabbits shot dropped, I stopped and moved to another terrain.

The moral of the story is, dont educate rabbits to flight by missing them and giving them a second chance..  Grin

Spoken like a true believer ,a educated rabbit takes no prisoners.The trick as you know is to get as many killed quickly and quietly before the rest cotton on and it turns into a all out shit fight . Smiley
  
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Just a quick question - do you just leave them on the site to rot or you take them to pet food buyer? Or is it not worth it? I imagine 160 dead rabbits might attract a fly or two couple days later...  Grin
  

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Will pick up the odd wallaby if its beside the truck, for a friend,  and petfood, but shooting for weight/picking up and pest eradication mix like oil and water.

I have worked in the small game petfood industry and I dont anymore. Its a total an absolute failure as far as control goes.

Without exception every station Ive seen that lets the pet food guys on as a mean to control numbers are abject failures, the problem often worse or no change after years of shooting.

Ive let a good friend shoot an area in one staion for the last three years, and left that area alone myself. There are more rabbits in that area than anywhere else on the 18000 hectares. Markedly more.

They only shoot the big ones so are farming them.

The other place I can think of is described in a previous post 17 where the petfood guys have been taking home 600 a week to process for the last 10 years. There are hundreds of thousands of rabbits on that station still. A dismal failure in usefulness when it comes to reducing numbers.,

After a couple of years of the Petfood Guys coming in every rabbit on the station is gunshy and you cant get near them.. its a luv fest of gunshy rabbits feeding and f**king and breeding up large.

The only way to deal with that is large scale 1080 or pindone drop and no one wants that, so they are part of the problem and not solving it.  Smiley
  

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Will pick up the odd wallaby if its beside the truck, for a friend,  and petfood, but shooting for weight/picking up and pest eradication mix like oil and water.

I have worked in the small game petfood industry and I dont anymore. Its a total an absolute failure as far as control goes.

Without exception every station Ive seen that lets the pet food guys on as a mean to control numbers are abject failures, the problem often worse or no change after years of shooting.

Ive let a good friend shoot an area in one staion for the last three years, and left that area alone myself. There are more rabbits in that area than anywhere else on the 18000 hectares. Markedly more.

They only shoot the big ones so are farming them.

The other place I can think of is described in a previous post 17 where the petfood guys have been taking home 600 a week to process for the last 10 years. There are hundreds of thousands of rabbits on that station still. A dismal failure in usefulness when it comes to reducing numbers.,

After a couple of years of the Petfood Guys coming in every rabbit on the station is gunshy and you cant get near them.. its a luv fest of gunshy rabbits feeding and f**king and breeding up large.

The only way to deal with that is large scale 1080 or pindone drop and no one wants that, so they are part of the problem and not solving it.  Smiley

Oh my god ......you almost there ....you sound almost like a ....true rabbiter ...its taken a while  but you are getting there . Smiley Smiley SmileyTaking rabbits for pet food while doing pest control is like double billing or dripping ,the landowner is paying a good hourly rate while you drive around gutting and picking up rabbits .In this hot weather they would require cooling down & to hit the ice quickly ,just more mucking around for the shooter.
  
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Interesting, makes total sense to me! Just shoot them bastards!  Cheesy

Funny that hares aren't the same problem? What is the reason? Smaller litters, fussy about tucker, don't breed as quick?

I have never ever seen wild rabbit in Europe. Mostly the are protected by law, gone (apart for UK of course) due to lack of habitat and industrial-scale poisioning (mainly Eastern Europe, with extensive use of tractors in 50's and 60's small field have been joined together, while smashing down scrubby/stony shelterbelts around them) or because they have just been eaten down to zero (France, Italy). Still some around Spain and Portugal I think, but they are all on "red list" as protected...  Grin

However hares are still all around, but to shoot them you have to stick with given quota, in some countries they are highly priced and valued game animal!
  

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Pete you answered your own question about the hares.

Rabbiter  the reason I stopped picking up and gutting is it make your hands dirty and the skin cracks on your fingers from the fluids. My girlfriends didn't like that dead rabbit smell either. Gets in your hair and  clothing. My wife was complaining lots about that. 

Far more fun and satisfaction financially just shooting the buggers. Grin
  

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Having planted quite a few Ha of steep stuff on my farm into pines I am getting stuck into the hares. The .223 is great on them, as they don't seem to scarper if you keep your distance. They only ever seem to have 2 or 3 leverets inside the females, and apparently only breed 2 or 3 times a year: That up against rabbits that  often have 2-3 times that number of baby rabbits, and keep cranking them out all spring and summer long. Will explain why when I go out I tip over 4 times as many rabbits as hares.
Picked up some cheap Freedom Munitions .223 from the Sika Show and I have to say I am impressed with the stuffs accuracy for once fired reloads. Hares and bunnies are toast out to 220-240m

Funny how in the EU and Europe they spent the post WW11 period enlargening farms and mowing down anything that got in the way of the tractors.....then about 30 years ago it all turned around and you were paid as a farmer to NOT cultivate about 10% of your land, up against hedgerows etc. Called Setaside from memory. Most Kiwis would not know that a typical European or UK farmer got about 25-45% of their income from subsidies.
Headcase, as long as your wife only smells rabbit guts on your fingers you should be fine Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I have worked in the small game petfood industry and I dont anymore. Its a total an absolute failure as far as control goes.

Without exception every station Ive seen that lets the pet food guys on as a mean to control numbers are abject failures, the problem often worse or no change after years of shooting.



They only shoot the big ones so are farming them.

The other place I can think of is described in a previous post 17 where the petfood guys have been taking home 600 a week to process for the last 10 years. There are hundreds of thousands of rabbits on that station still. A dismal failure in usefulness when it comes to reducing numbers.,

After a couple of years of the Petfood Guys coming in every rabbit on the station is gunshy and you cant get near them.. its a luv fest of gunshy rabbits feeding and f**king and breeding up large.
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Yeah what yi say mate is true, shootin fi a dollar in regards ti pet food I must admit is good quick dollars but lets face it it don't cost the cocky nothing ti let the shooter on his turf and that in the eyes of many is great,after they trust and get ti know the shooter that is.
But as yi say and we both know that it aint the best way ti control ol bugs.
But hey do these cockies that let their shooter come and go see that maybe the bunnies are still getting up there in numbers? or does he just say to himself '' the shooter is due back tonight for a few days'',all good.
At the end of the day it is up to what the land owner wants,or is happy with.
When things got real bad back in the day and areas were crawling then those blocks were shut up ,left alone and then poisoned.
At the end of the day the ol run holder don't like partin out the dosh all day long and that can put him onto petfood shooters...if he has a brain then control methods.
These cockies as we know can change at the blink of an eye eh  Grin
  

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EC wrote on Dec 8th, 2017 at 4:32pm:
headcase wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:35am:
I have worked in the small game petfood industry and I dont anymore. Its a total an absolute failure as far as control goes.

Without exception every station Ive seen that lets the pet food guys on as a mean to control numbers are abject failures, the problem often worse or no change after years of shooting.



They only shoot the big ones so are farming them.

The other place I can think of is described in a previous post 17 where the petfood guys have been taking home 600 a week to process for the last 10 years. There are hundreds of thousands of rabbits on that station still. A dismal failure in usefulness when it comes to reducing numbers.,

After a couple of years of the Petfood Guys coming in every rabbit on the station is gunshy and you cant get near them.. its a luv fest of gunshy rabbits feeding and f**king and breeding up large.
  Smiley


Yeah what yi say mate is true, shootin fi a dollar in regards ti pet food I must admit is good quick dollars but lets face it it don't cost the cocky nothing ti let the shooter on his turf and that in the eyes of many is great,after they trust and get ti know the shooter that is.
But as yi say and we both know that it aint the best way ti control ol bugs.
But hey do these cockies that let their shooter come and go see that maybe the bunnies are still getting up there in numbers? or does he just say to himself '' the shooter is due back tonight for a few days'',all good.
At the end of the day it is up to what the land owner wants,or is happy with.
When things got real bad back in the day and areas were crawling then those blocks were shut up ,left alone and then poisoned.
At the end of the day the ol run holder don't like partin out the dosh all day long and that can put him onto petfood shooters...if he has a brain then control methods.
These cockies as we know can change at the blink of an eye eh  Grin


The problem has always been ,shoot 10 and scare 20 ,the ole bunny soon works out ANYTHING out of the normal and they are out of there,under ground or hidden away behind scrub .There has been a big swing away from spotlighting by controllers (we are all controllers in one form or another )for good reason either to IR or thermal scopes.Once the older rabbits wise up to the sound of the motorbike  & spotlight danger,when he then hears the farmer coming on his bike during the day ,he does as he can do & thats.... disappears fast.The farmer then views the block as 'pretty clean" only to go out one morning & see that the rabbit numbers have " exploded over night" is always quoted,but the truth of the matter is that they have been really building for quite some time going
unnoticed,once again playing us.There's nothing wrong shooting a few rabbits for either pet food or sport but neither is a good form of control when numbers build up as headcase has stated poison is about the only way to gain control.SHIT did I just say that  Grin Grin
Over view of the rabbit :
Eyes like a feckn hawk.
Very nearly has 360 alround vision.
Fur pulls out if grabbed by a predator  .
Independent hearing out of either ear .
Fine hairs along the edges of those  ears to help pick up the very finest sound.
Animal that can run  speed of a greyhound.
A animal can  turn on a dime .
A animal that can jump straight up in the air 15 times its own height
A animal with the same iQ as the average dog.
Now for the big one ...
a animal that breeds EVERY single damn month(6/8/10 kits at a time ) if conditions suit,after giving birth with in hours shes had a  visit back to the buck so when the first lot of kits are weaned within hours another is on the ground.
The c**T as i often call this devils beast has been involved in a battle/war  with us for years ,what needs to   change is our mindset  ,we cant beat him by doing what we are already doing for a number of reasons  .....we can however stop them becoming a problem by ......buy eating him to bloody death ,& wearing his coat,using his fur.All of these things add value to the animal .
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Beef ,Sheep & lamb meat has slip off the shopping list for most new zealanders now that its to expensive,this opens the door as rabbit offers plenty of sweet meat,plenty of meat to bone & can be cooked in so many ways.
We just  badly need a easy simple system not bogged now by either p/c ,rules or b/s to allow this to happen if we can't handle the volume the world is screaming out for food ,given some good marketing there's no reason why it wouldn't work ,it did a number of years ago .It can only HELP with the present day situation,our present day system is simply not working and is unsustainable....   what we really need ..is some good ole "can do kiwi attitude".We have to get smarter.



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Pete you answered your own question about the hares.

Rabbiter  the reason I stopped picking up and gutting is it make your hands dirty and the skin cracks on your fingers from the fluids. My girlfriends didn't like that dead rabbit smell either. Gets in your hair and  clothing. My wife was complaining lots about that. 

Far more fun and satisfaction financially just shooting the buggers. Grin

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Prior to devaluation 1951??  [and supermarkets] I remember most/many butcher shops featured racks of fresh rabbits for sale. Good cheap meat at the time, although I am not suggesting we go back to those "good old days"
  
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we eat the lil critters all the time, kiddies love it aswell rabbits a very underated meat  hare backsteak is also superb.  think the biggest hurdle these days would be the amount of fluffy animal lovers around would frown upon it big time.

can their fur be utilized? like plucked possum fur is
  
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I think that rabbit pelts are good for coats and stuff like that,not sure about the hair itself though, definitely not as good as possum!
In Eastern Europe breeding rabbits in hutches is very common practise,very popular meat!Altgough I very mfch prefer hares to rabbits,cant stand that rabbit smell and also its white meat,quite lean....while hares,oh boy I can eat that all day long.Underated meat here in NZ for sure!

Possibly not viable to ship all the little bastards frozen to Europe,but mind you if you want to buy one you pay a bit more than for chicken!
  

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