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Poll closed Question: How much would you be willing to pay yearly for "Wild game license"?
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nothing at all, its been always for free!    
  84 (52.8%)
$50    
  12 (7.5%)
$100    
  44 (27.7%)
$200    
  15 (9.4%)
$300    
  2 (1.3%)
more than $300    
  2 (1.3%)




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Following bit of discussion at Molesworth 1080 thread I setup a poll to see if all of us can agree at least on something like fighting 1080 with our own money...

According to my quick research there is 230.000 gun license holders in New Zealand. Let say that 60% of those are hunters which leaves us with about 138.000 people. If half of us would be willing to pay $200/year towards "Wild game license" we can have about $13.8 million at hand yearly to opose drops, use repellants, fund lawsuits and research, etc.

We can discuss here how licensing could/coudn't be done, who will be doing it and what benefits license holder could have when compared to unlicensed hunter (ballots only for registered hunters, creating hunting zones for registered hunters only etc.).

What do you think?

And don't throw stones at me please  Grin I am just trying to figure out how we can all get out of the cycle we are at right now. Because if don't do anything we sure will have not much left to hunt in few decades...  Undecided
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2017 at 7:00am
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Support to idea of an licence fee.

This topic has been raised before. Hitop started a good thread about it, probably a couple years ago

But hunting issues are not just about fighting government departments etc.
theres more to Game Management than that.

The organization that this funding supports  needs to be clear

because it potentially involves challenging the Minister of Conservation, the Game Animal Council cant do this. AFAIK. They are accountable to the MOC.
But the GAC does have a mandate to manage recreational hunting and  is able to levy hunters that benefit. They are also mandated to manage hunting, is certain areas (HOSI).
But I doubt that they could be used to legally challenge the governments decisions

Logically, the NZDA is the national hunting organization that should do lobbying on behalf of hunters. They are the most established hunting organization and have a mandate to advocate for hunting.

But to set compulsory fees, manage game herds on public land is not in the power of the likes of NZDA.

Herds of special interest can be managed by hunters, but these come under the umberela of the GAC.

So trying to combine an organization that cant legally "manage" hunting (on public land) versus one that is simply a lobbying group may not work

At a local level, the Lower North Island Red Deer Foundation (LNIRDF) are a lobby group, that did take DOC to court. Potentially that group could also manage a game herd, but only as an HOSI.


PS, I don't think hunters in NZ would ever agree of what they want, would pay fees and accept additional restrictions involving Game Management. 


  
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f**k management by organizations that IMO are just becoming gentlemens hunting clubs (nzda) and are after "blocks" and private land to only benefit a few.

id rather side with doc on this then let stupid gac and nzda dictate who where and what is hunted get stuffed. doc have it right kill em all and f**k the rest of ya  Smiley

if you can get a group of people together that are unbiased and take a very open view on hunting and the variety of hunters we have in nz then id go for it but when its mainly head hunters and private land warriors that want to make the rules they can stick it up their arse.
  
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In theory I'd be happy to pay for a licence to hunt on public land, like duck shooters to to fish and game. But it would depend on what the money is used for, and by whom. I agree with Tararua Hunter - the hunting community is very diverse and would be difficult to reach a consensus on the optimum balance of recreational hunting goals versus wider conservation goals. I don't like 1080 (no one does) but I would be reluctant to put my money in the hands of the extreme anti-1080 movement. Not interesting in this thread being hijacked by 1080, just saying my answer to the original question is a big "yes, but it depends".

Winston Churchill is credited with the quote “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” Perhaps our current approach to big game management is the worst, apart from all the others?

Gotta admit: we have some pretty f***ing awesome hunting.
  

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I would have to  read all  material about what said foundation was protecting and where there management strategy lies before I commit even $1 to the cause. Personally not interested in NZDA, been to a couple of their meetings and found them more of a dick measuring contest rather than a group of like minded people gathering. Have seen new hunters leave fairly down trodden after a meeting with some member, was quite disheartening to see. Why would I give my hard earned money to an organisation like that or one similar if a new organisation wss founded. Would rather pay a yearly fee to DoC for a licence to hunt public land.
  
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I've been a member of NZDA branches in cities and a member of an independent club in a more rural area. I've found the independent club to have a much more positive, community feel to it, whereas the NZDA city branches were tight-knit old boys clubs, pretty unwelcoming and unsupportive of new members. I didn't shoot my first deer until I left NZDA.

Unsure if this is a city versus rural thing or something particular to the culture of NZDA branches. I hope the NZDA branches out in the regions are a bit more friendly and inclusive.
  

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300wsm for life wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 2:27pm:
I would have to  read all  material about what said foundation was protecting and where there management strategy lies before I commit even $1 to the cause. Personally not interested in NZDA, been to a couple of their meetings and found them more of a dick measuring contest rather than a group of like minded people gathering. Have seen new hunters leave fairly down trodden after a meeting with some member, was quite disheartening to see. Why would I give my hard earned money to an organisation like that or one similar if a new organisation wss founded. Would rather pay a yearly fee to DoC for a licence to hunt public land.


Don't your taxes already pay DOC to look after our public land?

For me, I would like DOC to realise why the animals were released in NZ in the first place. There are enough hunters in NZ for DOC to do what's right and stop trying to kill every PEST in the country.
  

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Thank you for your insight Tararua Hunter! It seems all pretty complex and rather broken up into different groups chasing different goals...same as hunters...  Roll Eyes

Yes it all depends how the organisation would work, structure etc... Funny enough DOC did crossed my mind first of all as they would have to look after the hunters to receive the yearly money so I think it could work.

Its wonder that whole thing with hunters, DOC and all didn't start falling apart a lot sooner. It does need some rethinking as we all see its not going to last like that for long and most likely outcome is that we are going to be left out. Some groups might have power over small areas but we really have to start thinking about NZ as one hunting ground for us all!

Where I came originally from its all pretty grim when comes to hunting. Gentleman clubs have somewhat bigger scale there, there is quote for just about anything, if you are from bigger city you have basically null chance to hunt. If you are form small village/town than you spend first few years just feeding the animals and flushing game in autumn before they allow you to shoot pheasant and one hare... I ma not joking, this is reality around most of European countries. We all live in paradise here so it pays of to manage it - something good to leave for next generations!
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All that money would be used to police the licence, to have someone stationed at all public land entry points 7days a week. Next minute poof all that money gone

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I agree with Hamish.
If there is a license, there will need to be enforcement.
And ultimately it’s public land that we are all free to walk on to any time we like.
Just creates another layer of bureaucracy.
  
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So you guys reckon hunters cant be trusted? That's probably the cause of lots of issues we face then.

Whether a big game licence is right or wrong, the equivalent seems to work for Fish and Game.
  

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I don't think that policing is nesessary. If whole scheme is self-policing so to speak then there is no need for "wardens" running around checking hunters licenses.

How about letting only Wild Game Licenses holders to access ballot system for a start? How about letting only them to access restricted hunting areas? Make it easier for them to take dogs into certain areas? Discounts for huts? Access to DOC pellet survey results or latest field reports so they we where animals are?

What I am thinking is definitely not creating extra bureau apparatus  but rather implementing license into existing system!  Cool

I am puzzled that someone can actually think that paying taxes should make them eligible for extra treatment or somehow that we are all entitled to these animals without doing anything for it. Wake up guys and look around, its not working so far is it?
  

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I am not too sure about the South but shit counts went out the window a long time ago up north
  
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another idea would be to put a levy on all sporting goods like firearms and ammo,and pool that money into areas that need money,
  
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Why is it that some people on this forum think that they OWN
dept/con/land you own zilch, nada,and never will own it.
Within certain perameters you are allowed the use of it, untill
the bureaucracy  decides you are not welcome,and as for the
pest we wish to keep on such lands, well well well.
Look at the license poll, its not doc whos the problem it ourselves.
  
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yes I would pay say $300 a year PROVIDED it was all encompassing eg overrode gamebird and sportsfish as we already pay more than $200 a season to have them both....we havent been able to get them combined so cant see the bean counters letting it all be lumped into one.
how to police it is always going to be an issue,current F&G policies dont sit well with me as it makes it plurry near impossible for volenteer to range effectively...the H&S card has been played...
  
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Wouldnt waste my money if it was going to a 1080 fight, DOC do as they wish and wont listen.Early stages 50 percent oppose a fee and thats forum members who tend to want more of a say etc.
The ones that just go out and hunt for what ever reason that dont belong on forums or get caught up in the polictics( the biggest percentage im sure) will be against a fee.
Hunters spend enough money now on their sport, pay for huts , all the gear, travel etc etc and the ones that hunt public land why should they pay a fee compared to anyone else that uses public land, ie horse riders, trampers, climber etc.
Heaps hunt on private land, cant expect them to pay for a licence to hunt on their own land or mates can you.
Policing it would be a joke, so i dont agree paying a cent for any type of licence end of.

Better of joining one group, ie NZDA where you paid a fee and in numbers you can use the money to try and get what you want and other benifits from joining such a group.
Some suggesting paying tax on ammo , gear etc must have too much money....fuk off.
A big percentage of hunters dont even get a permit, and thats FREE.
In 26 years ive never been asked for one, but i have always had one.
Yip, wouldnt paid a cent for a hunting licence and fight it all the way.
Just voicing which i suspect would be well over 70 percent of hunters when it comes to paying more money .
  
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But of cause its fine if you which to support and fund something, but its your choice, not forced on you and i may cough up something if the cause was right and worth it, but a licence fee....no way
  
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Oscar wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 9:07am:
Do you reckon we should get rid of gamebird and fishing licences, madfish?


Yep, the cost is just to create jobs and make a few tw*t rangers feel like theyre saving the world. fish or hunt any introduced species should be free.

im all for massive fees and taxes for native stuff like whitebait, eels and extend to paua/ other seafood etc. I think the whole whitebait fisheries thing is disgusting and should be stopped asap
  
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Amazing how something like whitebaiting where there is huge money involved is completely unregulated, no licences and catch limits.


  
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everyone is entitled to their option about imposing fees, but unless we find common ground and get the money thats needed then be prepared to  kiss our hunting good by. 1080 here's to stay, this latest poison drop at  molesworth station has been happening every where, just look at the area's around nz that we read on this forum ,thats now devoid of deer ,there's still plenty of good areas that hold deer but for how long

look at aussie, for starters, you pay for a hunting licence in nsw and the state of victoria ,there is excellent hunting to be had and no one is complaining.
  
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pope is right in what he says.

What we need in NZ is a wild animal (not pest) management plan.

Right now we have two extremes competing. The pro-1080 people want eradication and the hunters want enough animals to keep meat in the freezer or put trophies on the wall.

The eradication number of animals is easy...zero. There has been work done to identify the numbers of animals needed to allow meat for the freezer and not let the animal numbers become too numerous to cause environmental damage. We need to agree on a number of animals that will suit the environment and the freezer, then work out an management plan that ensures the animal numbers stay within the agreed parameters.

While the zero option is being pushed by government there can no agreement.

The government can be brought to the negotiating table by combining all the elements of the issue, this includes the reasons why 1080 is being used. The key is to promote options that will do the job that 1080 is supposed to be doing which will take 1080 out of the equation as the only wild animal control option available.

This will mean that deer hunters will need to work with people whose primary concern is not deer numbers but can provide alternatives to 1080. The most obvious deer hunter partner is the contract trappers that are doing the job that 1080 is supposed to be doing.

Until all the people, concerned with wild animal management, agree to sit at one table and are prepared to find a solution that provides for the needs of all parties, we will remain in the position of several different parties scrapping with each other and achieving nothing except that dominant idea/s will continue to do what they want at the expense of the others.
  
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pope wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
everyone is entitled to their option about imposing fees, but unless we find common ground and get the money thats needed then be prepared to  kiss our hunting good by. 1080 here's to stay, this latest poison drop at  molesworth station has been happening every where, just look at the area's around nz that we read on this forum ,thats now devoid of deer ,there's still plenty of good areas that hold deer but for how long

look at aussie, for starters, you pay for a hunting licence in nsw and the state of victoria ,there is excellent hunting to be had and no one is complaining.


devoid of deer? are you friken serious there hasnt been this many deer around for decades so to say 1080 has decimated deer numbers is a load of steaming BS made up by the antis.
yes 1080 does kill SOME deer it knocks herds for sure but then joe hunter gets told that areas stuffed forever 1080 boo hoo blah blah blah and dosent hunt it for a year then poof the dedr have had a low presure breeding year and back to normal/ higher numbers.

im really strugling to see why a small group of whinging hunters seem to be thinking of ways another govt dept/ organisation can take another chunk of my hard earned money.

We should be keeping our heads down, shutting the fark up and go hunting instead of kicking a hornets nest.  id rather miss a deer then get stung in the arse!!!
  
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In Marty's ideal world we wouldn't need to pay fees to manage NZ's wild animal numbers. the pest eradication gravy train would be reborn into something far more realistic and attainable, and provide significant work for small rural communities. Scientists who show that current pest control regimes are flawed would be given equal voice as those that currently tow the regime's line. Hunters would be an intimate part of the control function, and would be fed detailed up to date information and supported in their access requirements to maintain numbers of X species at at 'Y' levels. And at night we'll all get around the (artificially lit) campfire and sing kumbayah Cheesy

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calm down gonehunting, the only reason the deer numbers are good in certain areas is due to little or no waro
the ruahines is a good example

do you duck shoot ,,if so then it seems you don't mind paying for your licence

i trout fish in taupo i have never had a problem paying for the licence


  
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I don't want to harp on about aussie but if you see the inroads that the sporting shooters association and the shooters and fishers party has done to get the parks and forests opened up to hunting in the state of victoria  is nothing but amazing, the SSAA is the main hunting body in aussie and you have to belong to it if you want to hunt on crown land and shoot in a club, i belong to it because i want to support them even though i don't have a aussie firearms licence

I read an article a few weeks ago that 97000 deer in the last year were shot in victoria alone, out east of victoria they have put up road signs making drivers aware of deer on the roads, the towing companies have been kept busy with crashes involving deer.

They use 180 baits to kill foxes, to get a 1080 licence you have to jump through hoops to obtain one ,when you do get one you have to plot a map of the property and where you lay the baits, the baits have to be buried 10cm in the ground, and the baits marked so when you go back a week later if a fox hasn't dug up the bait then it has to be disposed of, make one wrong move with your licence then say goodby to it.
and yet we dump tonnes annually without a worry in nz,

so the point I'm making of this is by paying for our licence it gives us a voice and having a say in our sport and its shows doc that we are giving a commitment to hunting in Aotearoa
  
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my 2cents worth, 1-just because we havent paid a fee in the past doesnt mean we shouldnt in the future, and 2- i think we are our own worst enemies, by not at least becoming united and being a single voice to fight our corner then we will be ridden over rough shod, if all hunters joined a club or organisation free or otherwise our combined voice would be a force to reckon with, however divided as we are at present we will have very little say in the future of our sport, the few that do shell out with some coin and organisations such as nzda etc will be the few that do future proof access and animals. my final comment would be so long as we are milling around amongst ourselves bitching and moaning or trying not to rock the boat and generally being non proactive then our opinions and voices wont mean a pinch of shit and no one in officaldom will pay us any attention, such as the status quo
  
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At least the gamebird  and fishing licence helps promote the  sport  and releases fish etc into the rivers. No one wants the birds and trout poisoned and gone like deer and pigs with doc. So yes Ocsar, i might be prepared to paid for a fish and game licence and support it as it does some good. Paying for a hunting licence is just not the same when you got DOC etc trying to kill all the game animals etc and as hunters we shouldnt be paying to fight a war against dickheads thats money down a pit
  
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calm down gonehunting, the only reason the deer numbers are good in certain areas is due to little or no waro
the ruahines is a good example

do you duck shoot ,,if so then it seems you don't mind paying for your licence

i trout fish in taupo i have never had a problem paying for the licence




I do fish used to duckshoot but the cost vs satisfaction/ enjoyment is not worth it so refuse to buy a gamebird licence. fishing is going that way aswel but 2 young kids who want to fish will solve that problem  Smiley And I will never pay for a licence as proposed by muppets on here ill just get a good balaclava and go  Cheesy however I dont mind paying for ballots to hunt certain areas e.g wapiti im just against a general hunting licence

As for the no waro for an increase in numbers well then 1080 or brodi is your friend as they cant operate for sometime after application. but either way the rising deer numbers are making the antis look like a bunch of bulls**ters when they harp on it decmates deer numbers
  
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Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 3:35pm
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It's never always been free up until they were declared a pest one had to have a license to shoot deer, to have management there will be a cost, which is what is needed especialy for some herds
  

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Madfish, thats not actually true what you said about trout,
because regional councils are starting to impliment controls and directing fish and game not to restock certain streams/rivers.
This is to protect long/short jaw kokopu and mudfish ect/ect.
these f/bs by me are running around with video of a trout eating
a kokopu so now they have decided that they need protection.
I understand that doc is going to make moves over whitebaiting also ie next2/3 yrs limiting it totally.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 8:17pm
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If Doc could get rid of trout easily believe me they would do it in a heart beat. Their aim is to get the environment as close to pre human days as possible.
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:37am
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Dosen't the mountain safety council state on their website that there are 190,000 or 195,000 overseas and nz residents who particitate in deer hunting within nz each year?

The nugent report issued some years ago....Didn't that state there are 40,000 active deer hunters nz ?

To the present day....How many NZ citizens / tax payers are there out there now who actively hunt big game on a regular basis in this country ?
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:08am
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gonehuntin wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 7:14am:
f**k management by organizations that IMO are just becoming gentlemens hunting clubs (nzda) and are after "blocks" and private land to only benefit a few.

id rather side with doc on this then let stupid gac and nzda dictate who where and what is hunted get stuffed. doc have it right kill em all and f**k the rest of ya  Smiley

if you can get a group of people together that are unbiased and take a very open view on hunting and the variety of hunters we have in nz then id go for it but when its mainly head hunters and private land warriors that want to make the rules they can stick it up their arse.



gonehuntin, your retoric reminds me of the anti firearm people. "I don't agree with you so you are a bunch of d.kh.s"

That's all I get out of your above rant.

Personally I don't think all NZDA members are after what you say they are after. I know a few members and most of them are after meat for the family freezer and the majority of NZDA members advocating for access advocate on behalf of ALL NZ hunters not just NZDA members.

OWS wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
I've been a member of NZDA branches in cities and a member of an independent club in a more rural area. I've found the independent club to have a much more positive, community feel to it, whereas the NZDA city branches were tight-knit old boys clubs, pretty unwelcoming and unsupportive of new members. I didn't shoot my first deer until I left NZDA.

Unsure if this is a city versus rural thing or something particular to the culture of NZDA branches. I hope the NZDA branches out in the regions are a bit more friendly and inclusive. 


I wouldn't think it was a city/rural thing, I have experienced that same thing when I first joined a NZDA branch.

Perhaps the attitude exibited by some members needs to change, instead of "what can I get out of this" it should be "what can I do to contribute and improve"

All new members should be made to feel welcome and helped and encouraged, this is one of the ways of giving "clubs" a more welcoming and inviting atmosphere which will increase participation, membership and the greater the numbers the greater the voice.



awaterelad wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
my 2cents worth, 1-just because we havent paid a fee in the past doesnt mean we shouldnt in the future, and 2- i think we are our own worst enemies, by not at least becoming united and being a single voice to fight our corner then we will be ridden over rough shod, if all hunters joined a club or organisation free or otherwise our combined voice would be a force to reckon with, however divided as we are at present we will have very little say in the future of our sport, the few that do shell out with some coin and organisations such as nzda etc will be the few that do future proof access and animals. my final comment would be so long as we are milling around amongst ourselves bitching and moaning or trying not to rock the boat and generally being non proactive then our opinions and voices wont mean a pinch of shit and no one in officaldom will pay us any attention, such as the status quo



I totally agree with 1 and you have a very valid point in 2

Hunting by nature is a solo activity and therefore most (not all) only think about and are concerend about what is in it for them and only what affects them and as long as I get what I want I don't give a sh.t about the hunter down the road.

The same can be said about firearms ownership by firearms owners.

wazza56 wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
It's never always been free up until they were declared a pest one had to have a license to shoot deer, to have management there will be a cost, which is what is needed especialy for some herds



That is a fact.

There should be common ground for all firearms owners and hunters.

Every firearms owner should support the right to own firearms, no matter what each owners personal choice of firearm is.

Also every firearms owner should support the legal use of those firearms, hunting is just as important as target shooting which is just as important as all other legal uses.

Society doesn't seem to dictate what type of motor vehicle you own or condem legal use of a motor vehicle...........so why should firearms owners/users do this.

Game heard management should be one of the priority aims of all hunters and it shouldn't matter if you hunt for meat or trophies, and we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and come up with a united plan, this will involve a willingness to compromise.

Firearms owners need to look at the big picture and not just about what affects me and how I want things.
In other words if you are a hunter then support other legal uses of firearms and if you don't hunt then support the legal use of firearms for the sport of hunting.
After all 90% of all firearms owners supporting everything is a bigger voice to be listened to than just 90% of hunters.


I personally agree with game heard management, and that this will incur a cost...........how and if this is achieved is up to hunters.
If a consensus can be reached on how this can be done then I think ALL NZ firearms owners should support it.

In reality "apathy" will rule because this seems to be the attitude of the majority of New Zealanders.

  

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Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:56am
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Very well summed up and said kiwishooter, thank you for that!  Cool
  

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Guys it is why we started the NZ outdoors Party http://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz to try and get some action politically... But FA hunters supported us at the election... Its really hard to get hunters to act as a team unless something big time is going to happen...all the time departments and the like chip away at the resource in small doses.... Ie Molesworth ... 500 deer dead... another herd in Marlborough (Cant think the name of it)  deliberately exterminated by DOC... No word about that..
Wake up Hunters shit is about to happen and most will sleep through it...
I know stuff I cant say on here but over the next 6 or so years you are going to be challenged. Snore on in the shade under a punga if you like because it will not affect me as im now in the dog tucker paddock!  But if young hunters dont grow some balls it will be all over! Sad
  

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Reply #38 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 12:52pm
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Divide and conquer. Its an ancient strategy and it works well.

We make an ideal target. Too self sufficient, too individualistic, too anti establishment.

ONE VOICE. That's the only way we as firearms owners and  hunters will ever gain traction. There's already too many little voices out there, touting their own version of how it should be. Alan is right. So is kiwishooter. Wake up!!!

The twig and tweet brigade know  how to fight.
So do the greenies.

One Voice. Its the only way.
  
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Reply #39 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:07am
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Alan I don't think you can turn that into successful political cause to be honest... At the end of the day most of us do this as a sort of a hobby, passion if you like, but politics is so much more about everyday life, education, health system, taxes... etc. that you don't stand a chance to get enough voters if you don't care about important stuff too. And 0,1% shows that hunters care more about everyday life than just hunting. But hey might be just me  Cool
  

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