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Poll closed Question: How much would you be willing to pay yearly for "Wild game license"?
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nothing at all, its been always for free!    
  84 (52.8%)
$50    
  12 (7.5%)
$100    
  44 (27.7%)
$200    
  15 (9.4%)
$300    
  2 (1.3%)
more than $300    
  2 (1.3%)




Total votes: 159
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Re: Wild game license
Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 12:15pm
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pope wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
calm down gonehunting, the only reason the deer numbers are good in certain areas is due to little or no waro
the ruahines is a good example

do you duck shoot ,,if so then it seems you don't mind paying for your licence

i trout fish in taupo i have never had a problem paying for the licence




I do fish used to duckshoot but the cost vs satisfaction/ enjoyment is not worth it so refuse to buy a gamebird licence. fishing is going that way aswel but 2 young kids who want to fish will solve that problem  Smiley And I will never pay for a licence as proposed by muppets on here ill just get a good balaclava and go  Cheesy however I dont mind paying for ballots to hunt certain areas e.g wapiti im just against a general hunting licence

As for the no waro for an increase in numbers well then 1080 or brodi is your friend as they cant operate for sometime after application. but either way the rising deer numbers are making the antis look like a bunch of bulls**ters when they harp on it decmates deer numbers
  
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Re: Wild game license
Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 3:35pm
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It's never always been free up until they were declared a pest one had to have a license to shoot deer, to have management there will be a cost, which is what is needed especialy for some herds
  

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Re: Wild game license
Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 4:40pm
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Madfish, thats not actually true what you said about trout,
because regional councils are starting to impliment controls and directing fish and game not to restock certain streams/rivers.
This is to protect long/short jaw kokopu and mudfish ect/ect.
these f/bs by me are running around with video of a trout eating
a kokopu so now they have decided that they need protection.
I understand that doc is going to make moves over whitebaiting also ie next2/3 yrs limiting it totally.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2017 at 8:17pm
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If Doc could get rid of trout easily believe me they would do it in a heart beat. Their aim is to get the environment as close to pre human days as possible.
  
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Re: Wild game license
Reply #34 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:37am
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Dosen't the mountain safety council state on their website that there are 190,000 or 195,000 overseas and nz residents who particitate in deer hunting within nz each year?

The nugent report issued some years ago....Didn't that state there are 40,000 active deer hunters nz ?

To the present day....How many NZ citizens / tax payers are there out there now who actively hunt big game on a regular basis in this country ?
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:08am
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gonehuntin wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 7:14am:
f**k management by organizations that IMO are just becoming gentlemens hunting clubs (nzda) and are after "blocks" and private land to only benefit a few.

id rather side with doc on this then let stupid gac and nzda dictate who where and what is hunted get stuffed. doc have it right kill em all and f**k the rest of ya  Smiley

if you can get a group of people together that are unbiased and take a very open view on hunting and the variety of hunters we have in nz then id go for it but when its mainly head hunters and private land warriors that want to make the rules they can stick it up their arse.



gonehuntin, your retoric reminds me of the anti firearm people. "I don't agree with you so you are a bunch of d.kh.s"

That's all I get out of your above rant.

Personally I don't think all NZDA members are after what you say they are after. I know a few members and most of them are after meat for the family freezer and the majority of NZDA members advocating for access advocate on behalf of ALL NZ hunters not just NZDA members.

OWS wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
I've been a member of NZDA branches in cities and a member of an independent club in a more rural area. I've found the independent club to have a much more positive, community feel to it, whereas the NZDA city branches were tight-knit old boys clubs, pretty unwelcoming and unsupportive of new members. I didn't shoot my first deer until I left NZDA.

Unsure if this is a city versus rural thing or something particular to the culture of NZDA branches. I hope the NZDA branches out in the regions are a bit more friendly and inclusive. 


I wouldn't think it was a city/rural thing, I have experienced that same thing when I first joined a NZDA branch.

Perhaps the attitude exibited by some members needs to change, instead of "what can I get out of this" it should be "what can I do to contribute and improve"

All new members should be made to feel welcome and helped and encouraged, this is one of the ways of giving "clubs" a more welcoming and inviting atmosphere which will increase participation, membership and the greater the numbers the greater the voice.



awaterelad wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 8:17pm:
my 2cents worth, 1-just because we havent paid a fee in the past doesnt mean we shouldnt in the future, and 2- i think we are our own worst enemies, by not at least becoming united and being a single voice to fight our corner then we will be ridden over rough shod, if all hunters joined a club or organisation free or otherwise our combined voice would be a force to reckon with, however divided as we are at present we will have very little say in the future of our sport, the few that do shell out with some coin and organisations such as nzda etc will be the few that do future proof access and animals. my final comment would be so long as we are milling around amongst ourselves bitching and moaning or trying not to rock the boat and generally being non proactive then our opinions and voices wont mean a pinch of shit and no one in officaldom will pay us any attention, such as the status quo



I totally agree with 1 and you have a very valid point in 2

Hunting by nature is a solo activity and therefore most (not all) only think about and are concerend about what is in it for them and only what affects them and as long as I get what I want I don't give a sh.t about the hunter down the road.

The same can be said about firearms ownership by firearms owners.

wazza56 wrote on Dec 1st, 2017 at 3:35pm:
It's never always been free up until they were declared a pest one had to have a license to shoot deer, to have management there will be a cost, which is what is needed especialy for some herds



That is a fact.

There should be common ground for all firearms owners and hunters.

Every firearms owner should support the right to own firearms, no matter what each owners personal choice of firearm is.

Also every firearms owner should support the legal use of those firearms, hunting is just as important as target shooting which is just as important as all other legal uses.

Society doesn't seem to dictate what type of motor vehicle you own or condem legal use of a motor vehicle...........so why should firearms owners/users do this.

Game heard management should be one of the priority aims of all hunters and it shouldn't matter if you hunt for meat or trophies, and we need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and come up with a united plan, this will involve a willingness to compromise.

Firearms owners need to look at the big picture and not just about what affects me and how I want things.
In other words if you are a hunter then support other legal uses of firearms and if you don't hunt then support the legal use of firearms for the sport of hunting.
After all 90% of all firearms owners supporting everything is a bigger voice to be listened to than just 90% of hunters.


I personally agree with game heard management, and that this will incur a cost...........how and if this is achieved is up to hunters.
If a consensus can be reached on how this can be done then I think ALL NZ firearms owners should support it.

In reality "apathy" will rule because this seems to be the attitude of the majority of New Zealanders.

  

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Re: Wild game license
Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 11:56am
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Very well summed up and said kiwishooter, thank you for that!  Cool
  

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Re: Wild game license
Reply #37 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 12:20pm
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Guys it is why we started the NZ outdoors Party http://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz to try and get some action politically... But FA hunters supported us at the election... Its really hard to get hunters to act as a team unless something big time is going to happen...all the time departments and the like chip away at the resource in small doses.... Ie Molesworth ... 500 deer dead... another herd in Marlborough (Cant think the name of it)  deliberately exterminated by DOC... No word about that..
Wake up Hunters shit is about to happen and most will sleep through it...
I know stuff I cant say on here but over the next 6 or so years you are going to be challenged. Snore on in the shade under a punga if you like because it will not affect me as im now in the dog tucker paddock!  But if young hunters dont grow some balls it will be all over! Sad
  

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Re: Wild game license
Reply #38 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 12:52pm
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Divide and conquer. Its an ancient strategy and it works well.

We make an ideal target. Too self sufficient, too individualistic, too anti establishment.

ONE VOICE. That's the only way we as firearms owners and  hunters will ever gain traction. There's already too many little voices out there, touting their own version of how it should be. Alan is right. So is kiwishooter. Wake up!!!

The twig and tweet brigade know  how to fight.
So do the greenies.

One Voice. Its the only way.
  
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Re: Wild game license
Reply #39 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:07am
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Alan I don't think you can turn that into successful political cause to be honest... At the end of the day most of us do this as a sort of a hobby, passion if you like, but politics is so much more about everyday life, education, health system, taxes... etc. that you don't stand a chance to get enough voters if you don't care about important stuff too. And 0,1% shows that hunters care more about everyday life than just hunting. But hey might be just me  Cool
  

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