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Police public consultation on firearm security.
Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm
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https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/police-post-consultation-documents-
regarding-the-storage-of-firearms/

Police consultation on firearm security requirements. Really well publicised and lots of time for people to reply.......

Anyway let them know what you think. Remember what the last firearm consultation turned into?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm
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Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm
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After meeting Superintendant Mike McIlraith and being able to question him and listen to his views and opinions I have to say he came across as a very practical sensible person.

He is tasked with a very broad and difficult task and has to work within the current law.

It is good to see that he is soliciting advice from the very people it will affect and I urge those with a view to submit that view so it can be considered.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:07pm
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kiwishooter wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
After meeting Superintendant Mike McIlraith and being able to question him and listen to his views and opinions I have to say he came across as a very practical sensible person.

He is tasked with a very broad and difficult task and has to work within the current law.

It is good to see that he is soliciting advice from the very people it will affect and I urge those with a view to submit that view so it can be considered.


http://www.founz.co.nz/police/the-arms-office-is-being-restructured/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/eastern-courier/517123/Kiwi-cop-on-Af...
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:48am
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While I agree with good Firearms Security it is a bit of a worry that they are trying to split/discriminate A Cat Firearms. re Secure Gun Racks for bolt/pump/lever action only. No Semi-Auto. Also this is a  Police Policy best practice document. Not Law. As many people as possible submit/consult. Remember the 2018 Arms Amendment is coming and they will Try Again to get the Arms Code Codified in Law make no mistake. If that happens Police Policy becomes Law. If you think not just look at the Australian example. The Police Really Want This Outcome. Be Vigilant. Not intended as a Rant.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:21am
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hawken 50 wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:48am:
While I agree with good Firearms Security it is a bit of a worry that they are trying to split/discriminate A Cat Firearms. re Secure Gun Racks for bolt/pump/lever action only. No Semi-Auto.


Someone probably showed them how to remove an AR15 from a wall rack simply by folding down the trigger guard and lifting it straight out.

Still see them occasionally in shops with just a cable through the trigger guard to hold them in place.


  
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 4:26pm
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What I also see is by having to have written approvel from the police for security and what it intails, it's curcumventing the actual Arms act giving the police control not government.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:39am
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This policy is actually a contract in disguise. You will be forced to sign it to get your security approved. A condition of the contract is that if it is breached police will revoke your licence. This is how they will now get away with implementing policy that has no legal foundation.

This contract doesn't refer specifically to the security policy but just to police document.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:16am
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Sounds like another court challange in the making.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:10am
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muzza wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.

Email address for submissions
secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 5:25am
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Please send in some sort of submission , even if you just say you disagree with the proposal. Obviously a reason why would be good , but if you do nothing you can expect this nonsense to become policy very soon.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 6:09pm
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UPDATE - COLFO are pleased to report that the Firearms Community Advisory Forum Security Sub-committee met with Senior Police today to discuss the feedback on current and future security options. The process has been open and transparent. Police considered all feedback received to date and agreed that they cannot venture outside of current laws for security requirements. Firearms owners have vocalised their opinions and we congratulate you for your quick and valued responses. Police will redraft the security document referred to as POL67N once the feedback date of 1 December 2017 closes. Make sure you have your say by emailing Police at secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz and copy COLFO in on your response info@colfo.org.nz - share this post so more people can respond to Police with their feedback.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 1:58pm
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6.5x55bjai wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:10am:
muzza wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.

Email address for submissions
secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz


We have been advised that the above email address is incorrect.
It should be secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz

Hyphens not full stops. Clever ploy to  prevent submissions?  Cheesy
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 4:53pm
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secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz (link sends e-mail)

The correct address.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:28pm
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If you are thinking of making a submission , do it now . There is only a couple of days left or you will miss the deadline.
This is important for all of us, please make that submission.
  

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Reply #15 - Nov 28th, 2017 at 4:59pm
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There is a page with a link on Facebook called firearm owners United nz which all you have to do is tap on it and it will take you to your email address and then you hit send it’s a pretty well worded email
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:35pm
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This statistic finally released by the Police under the OIA might be useful to cite too: Of the last 100 incidents of serious gun offending – only ONE involved a licensed firearm user.
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 28th, 2017 at 7:19pm
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http://www.founz.co.nz/

You only have 2 days to make submissions people - please dont say its too hard . The FOUNZ link makes it so easy that anyone could do it .

So do it now , huh ?
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2017 at 10:05am
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THE FOUNZ, SUPER SIMPLE, POLICE SECURITY POLICY SUBMISSION.

How simple? All you need to do is click the link below:

https://tinyurl.com/ya9mcnde

This link will open your email client with a formatted policy submission template. You only need to click send and its done.

We would prefer you to personalise it. Modify, add, change the wording if you like. Also change the subject line and the signature at the bottom.

You will note that we are sending this submission to Stuart Nash first as minister of police. FOUNZ strongly believes that it is the politicians under our direction who make the law - not the police. We have also cc'ed in the police submission address and the FOUNZ address.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 29th, 2017 at 10:25am
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Hey Digit, tried that and noth.ing opened up
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 29th, 2017 at 10:28am
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Oscar wrote on Nov 28th, 2017 at 5:35pm:
This statistic finally released by the Police under the OIA might be useful to cite too: Of the last 100 incidents of serious gun offending – only ONE involved a licensed firearm user.


Be careful, that could be used as a solid case for better storage requirements.
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 29th, 2017 at 1:07pm
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put in my submission ,thanks for putting up the info digit and thanks for your help too,hawken 50
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 29th, 2017 at 1:22pm
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Hi Terry - try this below. Its a copy paste of the submission -
Cheers

EMAILStuart.Nash@parliament.govt.nz
cc secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz, info@founz.co.nz

SUBJECT Police Firearm Security Policy Submission

Dear Stuart,

I have identified these issues with the police's request for submissions and the actual police policy

itself.

1) They have effectively given licence holders 1 week to make a submission.

2) Police are attempting to reclassify A Cat semi Automatics into their own security requirements.

3) Police will force you to agree to the requirements of their policy (and possibly all future illegal and

ultra vires policies) by signing a contract.

4) Police have mixed policy with law giving the impression to licence holders that this document is the

law. Policy and legal requirement should be separated clearly and concisely to avoid confusion.

5) These policies directly affect those who do not own their own home by forcing onerous security

requirements that may not be possible for those renting a house.

6) A situation now exists where police believe they have authority to implement their policy as law which

they do not.

I fear police will attempt to codify all policies such as the Pol67N and S43A mail order into law without

following the correct parliamentary process. I object to police making law.

Police are acting outside of their authority and attempting to circumvent due process.

Kind Regards

FOUNZ member.
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 30th, 2017 at 5:24am
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Today is the last day for making a submission guys.

Please make the effort , the hard work has been done for you so there is no excuse. This is really important for all of us so take a few minutes out of your day to do it .

  

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Reply #24 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 2:24pm
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Won't make a blind bit of difference to public safety, no matter what the security requirements are.....until the law starts to treat seriously the actual theft of firearms (and burglary in general) ain't nothing going to improve.
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:26pm
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What puzzled me about these new standards that the police want implemented is that it would be ok to keep shotguns (the robbers best friend) in a plywood box, provided the box couldn’t be opened within 3 minutes with basic hand tools.
Pretty sure the average burglar could get into any plywood box in no time with an axe.
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 3rd, 2017 at 7:40am
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Not to mention the fixation on 'British standard' for  approved safes.....not quite sure what that has to do with us, we are not in Britain.
  
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