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Police public consultation on firearm security.
Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:13pm
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https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/police-post-consultation-documents-
regarding-the-storage-of-firearms/

Police consultation on firearm security requirements. Really well publicised and lots of time for people to reply.......

Anyway let them know what you think. Remember what the last firearm consultation turned into?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm
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Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm
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After meeting Superintendant Mike McIlraith and being able to question him and listen to his views and opinions I have to say he came across as a very practical sensible person.

He is tasked with a very broad and difficult task and has to work within the current law.

It is good to see that he is soliciting advice from the very people it will affect and I urge those with a view to submit that view so it can be considered.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 8:07pm
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kiwishooter wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
After meeting Superintendant Mike McIlraith and being able to question him and listen to his views and opinions I have to say he came across as a very practical sensible person.

He is tasked with a very broad and difficult task and has to work within the current law.

It is good to see that he is soliciting advice from the very people it will affect and I urge those with a view to submit that view so it can be considered.


http://www.founz.co.nz/police/the-arms-office-is-being-restructured/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/eastern-courier/517123/Kiwi-cop-on-Af...
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:48am
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While I agree with good Firearms Security it is a bit of a worry that they are trying to split/discriminate A Cat Firearms. re Secure Gun Racks for bolt/pump/lever action only. No Semi-Auto. Also this is a  Police Policy best practice document. Not Law. As many people as possible submit/consult. Remember the 2018 Arms Amendment is coming and they will Try Again to get the Arms Code Codified in Law make no mistake. If that happens Police Policy becomes Law. If you think not just look at the Australian example. The Police Really Want This Outcome. Be Vigilant. Not intended as a Rant.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 10:21am
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hawken 50 wrote on Nov 19th, 2017 at 6:48am:
While I agree with good Firearms Security it is a bit of a worry that they are trying to split/discriminate A Cat Firearms. re Secure Gun Racks for bolt/pump/lever action only. No Semi-Auto.


Someone probably showed them how to remove an AR15 from a wall rack simply by folding down the trigger guard and lifting it straight out.

Still see them occasionally in shops with just a cable through the trigger guard to hold them in place.


  
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2017 at 4:26pm
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What I also see is by having to have written approvel from the police for security and what it intails, it's curcumventing the actual Arms act giving the police control not government.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 6:39am
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This policy is actually a contract in disguise. You will be forced to sign it to get your security approved. A condition of the contract is that if it is breached police will revoke your licence. This is how they will now get away with implementing policy that has no legal foundation.

This contract doesn't refer specifically to the security policy but just to police document.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 7:16am
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Sounds like another court challange in the making.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:10am
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muzza wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.

Email address for submissions
secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 5:25am
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Please send in some sort of submission , even if you just say you disagree with the proposal. Obviously a reason why would be good , but if you do nothing you can expect this nonsense to become policy very soon.
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 21st, 2017 at 6:09pm
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UPDATE - COLFO are pleased to report that the Firearms Community Advisory Forum Security Sub-committee met with Senior Police today to discuss the feedback on current and future security options. The process has been open and transparent. Police considered all feedback received to date and agreed that they cannot venture outside of current laws for security requirements. Firearms owners have vocalised their opinions and we congratulate you for your quick and valued responses. Police will redraft the security document referred to as POL67N once the feedback date of 1 December 2017 closes. Make sure you have your say by emailing Police at secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz and copy COLFO in on your response info@colfo.org.nz - share this post so more people can respond to Police with their feedback.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 1:58pm
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6.5x55bjai wrote on Nov 20th, 2017 at 11:10am:
muzza wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Submissions have to be in by the 1st of December - so that is only 12 days away. Please make the effort to have your say  or we will all lose out.

Email address for submissions
secure.storage.firearms@police.govt.nz


We have been advised that the above email address is incorrect.
It should be secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz

Hyphens not full stops. Clever ploy to  prevent submissions?  Cheesy
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 4:53pm
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secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz (link sends e-mail)

The correct address.
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:28pm
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If you are thinking of making a submission , do it now . There is only a couple of days left or you will miss the deadline.
This is important for all of us, please make that submission.
  

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