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What do we think?....Im thinkin cyanide.
 
Bit of a worry. Hope they pull through.
  
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Bit of a worry alright..  Hope this has a good ending.
  
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This is generating some media attention.... I would appreciate any information anyone has so I'm well informed....
  

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I understand that Newshub will be running a piece on it tonight.
  
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Yea some follow up would be good. To often these sorts of things leave the media and nothing is learnt from it.
  
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imjustme wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 2:08pm:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98951757/waikato-family-poisoned-after-eating-w...

What do we think?....Im thinkin cyanide.
 
Bit of a worry. Hope they pull through.


It wont be cyanide it dosn't affect the meat used to feed my dogs cyanide killed possum legs.
  

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ah right good to know.
  
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couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..
  

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It could be poison especially with the reaction time, could also be botulism but quick internet search reckon reaction time normally 16 to 30 hours however can be as fast as 6 hours. Wait for the results I spose
  
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couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..

to react that quick, no it couldn't
And theyd have to eaten the organs full of 1080 to get a lethal dose, I imagine
Theres probably several possible causes, more likely than 1080.
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Yeah well lets just hope the poor buggers will come out of it ok.
  

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1080 human poisoning systems from Wikipedia
Symptoms      Edit
In humans, the symptoms of poisoning normally appear between 30 minutes and three hours after exposure. Initial symptoms typically include nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain; sweating, confusion, and agitation follow. In significant poisoning, cardiac abnormalities including tachycardia or bradycardia, hypotension, and ECG changes develop. Neurological effects include muscle twitching and seizures; consciousness becomes progressively impaired after a few hours leading to coma. Death is normally due to ventricular arrhythmias, progressive hypotension unresponsive to treatment, and secondary lung infections.[5]
  
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Alan wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..

to react that quick, no it couldn't
And theyd have to eaten the organs full of 1080 to get a lethal dose, I imagine
Theres probably several possible causes, more likely than 1080.
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Botulism symptoms
These symptoms all result from muscle paralysis caused by the toxin. If untreated, the disease may progress and symptoms may worsen to cause paralysis of certain muscles, including those used in breathing and those in the arms, legs, and trunk (part of the body from the neck to the pelvis area, also called the torso). People with botulism may not show all of these symptoms at once.

In foodborne botulism, symptoms generally begin 18 to 36 hours after eating a contaminated food. However, symptoms can begin as soon as 6 hours after or up to 10 days later.

If you or someone you know has symptoms of botulism, see your doctor or go to the emergency room immediately.

  
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This is generating some media attention.... I would appreciate any information anyone has so I'm well informed....


Have you had a look on Facebook? No doubt all the answers are there.  Smiley

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Alan wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 4:05pm:
This is generating some media attention.... I would appreciate any information anyone has so I'm well informed....


Have you had a look on Facebook? No doubt all the answers are there.  Smiley

Saw a Dr quoted as suspecting botulism?

and the loonies have a few theories to Roll Eyes
  
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I can echo 'brian' here - I ate the hind legs from possums I cyanided for a full winter season and suffered no effects.

I did however suffer from eating pork when I was a youngster - would double me up with stomach gripes shortly after eating it and I'd be compelled to spend the evening on the crapper.

Was only ever pork (domestic and wild) that did that - and now I seem to have outgrown it.
  
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Lots of unknowns here. WE dont know how the gent caught the boar.  Caught beng an interesting thing. Poisened? We dont know if the organs were part of the meal. Its entirely possible that a liver or kidneys were eaten.  Might be a few wild mushrooms have been also added to the mix..



  

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yere I agree to many unknowns..... I suspect it will be something they ate with with the meal or day before..
  

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warm weather the meat could easily have gone off?  surely it couldnt be any poisons 1080etc as if levels were high enough to secondary poison then the animal wouldve been very sick, or he harvested an already dead animal.

are there any plants/roots pigs eat that they can build up toxins from like tutu etc?
  
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They did say that the children ate everything that their parents ate-except the wild pork.
So that narrows down the cause.
  

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Apparently they said the pig was shot. My money is on botulism but obviously it's a guessing game. Of course it is also possible that it was a domestic and the meal was deliberately poisoned.
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Whatever the cause is it’s given me a reminder about cooling my kill quickly.
Not sure about everyone else but I find it difficult to leave meat to rot on the hill.
Morning hunt, sun coming up, long carry back to truck.
Recipe for disaster.
I’ll be sticking to evening hunts over summer I think, and carry out in the dark and take straight to chiller rather than hang it in shed till morning.
  
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Tararua Hunter wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Alan wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..

to react that quick, no it couldn't
And theyd have to eaten the organs full of 1080 to get a lethal dose, I imagine
Theres probably several possible causes, more likely than 1080.
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There are several deaths a year, often a whole family, from eating
Amanita ocreata or phalloides , commonly known as the death angel, death cap, or Destroying Angel They are common worldwide and grow in New Zealand too pretty much overall Id think. They look a lot like young common edible field mushrooms, which fools lots of people and taste pretty mushroomy too..

Takes 3 days to get really sick and then its already too late. Destroys the liver. 

Just saying case anyone's ever tempted to grab a few to complement  a freshly shot deer liver served up to the family.


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Pork goes off faster than veni due to a higher fat content, fact or fiction?
  
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Pork goes off faster than veni due to a higher fat content, fact or fiction?

Quite likely. Venison tends to keep for ages.

I treat wild pork like chicken.  Never had any probs.

Couple of rules which I try to follow:
Cool it down as much as possible, as fast as possible.
Never let it get warm. (not always that easy when you are carrying it out).
Get it below 4* as soon as you can.
Cook it till piping hot. I find the flavour improves the hotter it is, so aren’t afraid to give it hell!
  
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I have found it goes off way faster than venison. Flies seem like it more too.
  

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....and the verdict....Botulism.
Must have been from something else surly. freshly killed that day even on a hot day thats seems to quick for the bot to take hold, from what I've read. And a min of 6 hours to show symptoms they say. So not even in the ball park of dinner that night
So sounds like he himself is not a hanter as such, just went along on some hunts with others and "acquired" said pork. Im thinking not from that days kill..
I feel a lot safer now on my efforts of meat hunting.
But man, Really hope they come through ok. Very hard on all concerned.
  
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Family are responding well to the anti-toxin too I read, which is great news (and confirms the diagnosis). Pork for tea tomorrow night then  Smiley

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well if it had been sitting around for 24 hours unrefrigerated.. a possibility. 

I Hope there is a full investigation as to what and why..
  

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Doctors believe three people left gravely ill after eating wild boar are suffering from botulism, a Waikato Hospital spokeswoman says.

"While we don't know the exact cause and source of this illness, we now believe it is botulism. The three patients are responding to botulism anti-toxin and are recovering in hospital.

"We have sent samples off to a specialist centre in Queensland for testing but it may take several weeks before we get the results. We have no evidence to believe there is any public health issue."

  

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EC wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
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Alan wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..

to react that quick, no it couldn't
And theyd have to eaten the organs full of 1080 to get a lethal dose, I imagine
Theres probably several possible causes, more likely than 1080.
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My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.
  
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if the pig was shot a tad far back (hitting guts) you would have heaps of really smelly bits inside carcase straight away and bullet holes open up meat for it to get into.
say pig took 1/2 hour to find,then gutted but not washed out in creek....or worse still washed out but not properly leaving wet smelly shitty bits to spread faster.... pig then carried to where ever they camping and left in hot sun while they had a cuppa.... then processed ,next day cut some off and cook it not overly well "so it didnt dry out"
and man do you have a recipe for trouble.
there is a good/gross article in last NZ Hunter magazine that pretty well covers looking after freshly shot deer,it transphers across to pork.
I was taught to ALWAYS open up the pelvis in animals as soon as possible to aid cooling and prop carcase open with short stick etc.....you dont see this so much now days as most animal recovery you see photos of is not whole animal but boned out meat.....maybe the skill set is being lost???
  
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My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.



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Marty Foote wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am:
My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.



Another good reason not to carry butchered meat in plastic bags.


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Marty Foote wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am:
My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.


This interested me so I looked it up. Thanks.

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Looks like we have to be careful what we feed our dogs too. Never heard of this.

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Im actuallty a little suprissed it took so long to dignose and get a vacine to them. Not exaclty like lighting.
  

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There's gota be more to the story
I'm guessing they aren't hunters and were possibly on a chartered hunt or given some pork..
From there who knows how long it was before the meat was chilled and if they even chowed down on some organs..
80% of actual hunters would be pretty particular with food prep and looking after the kill.. then theres the lot that aren't terribly careful with getting the meat back to the fridge, and they still don't get crook...
There's definitely more to the story
  
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yip, hope any investigation gets to the bottom of it. Would be doing everyone a favour.
  

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Too easy to blame the wild pork if you ask me... Roll Eyes There is definitely more to the story!
  

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If there is a toxin / bacteria / disease in wild pigs which can affect dogs and people , it surely must be transmissible to domestic pigs who have contact with wild pigs , I have friends with domestic free range sows which are in contact with wild pigs and the only known side affect is the sows regularly have litters of half bred piglets
  

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The NZ public may never know any facts on the matter.
Just be good ti see them back to normal.
The truth behind any events ran amuck a long time ago,just the way it is nowadays.
  

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Does cooking not destroy botulism?
  

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Does cooking not destroy botulism?

Cooking usually kills most bacteria etc, but not necessarily any toxins they have already produced. But apparently the botulism toxin is deactivated if heated to greater than 80 degrees C.
  
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All very quiet..


  

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Yeap.
This pisses me off, was it even a legitimate story??
If the risk is real then why haven't we heard the full story..
All the media concentrate on is dickface trump and Auckland's economy, traffic and housing issues...
  
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we should have had the toxicology reports by now.... I wonder if we will get to see them...
  

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That actually doesnt sound that great. Hope things improve.
  

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If it was the boar that poisoned them I doubt it was botulism.
If it was botulism I doubt it was from the boar.

Hope that makes sense.

Botulism takes about a day to come on.
Never pays to let the facts get in the way of a good headline though...
  
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1080 I feel. With all the attention it is getting at the moment the government would look foolish exposing such findings.
  
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Health authorities were yet to confirm botulism was responsible for their illness, but it's the only thing they're testing for and family members are responding to antitoxins for botulism.

Samples had been sent to a lab in Queensland, Australia, but there was no timeframe on when they were due back, Varghese said.

"At this stage there are no test results showing that it is botulism, so what do they do when you can't pinpoint what it is and what is happening?


How long do these tests take? Would it not be expedited if these people were so sick? Why are they only testing for botulism?

Something stinks.
  
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You have to wonder:

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Health authorities were yet to confirm botulism was responsible for their illness, but it's the only thing they're testing for and family members are responding to antitoxins for botulism.

Samples had been sent to a lab in Queensland, Australia, but there was no timeframe on when they were due back, Varghese said.

"At this stage there are no test results showing that it is botulism, so what do they do when you can't pinpoint what it is and what is happening?


How long do these tests take? Would it not be expedited if these people were so sick? Why are they only testing for botulism?

Something stinks.

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Whats the big deal about this? If it was a notifiable or infectious disease we would know by now.

http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/notifiable-diseases

If its not, its purely the business of the people who became sick.  I wouldn't expect it to become public. Its a private matter.

The Doctors have said that the people responded to treatment for botulism. That will do me.

I will just make sure that my meat is always well cooked and carry on. I can't fathom the fuss.


Three members of a Waikato family are suffering botulism after eating wild boar meat.

"While we don't know the exact cause and source of this illness, we now believe it is botulism,"  said hospital spokeswoman Lydia Aydon.

"The three patients are responding to botulism anti-toxin and are recovering in hospital.

"We have sent samples off to a specialist centre in Queensland for testing but it may take several weeks before we get the results."



  

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Whats the big deal about this? If it was a notifiable or infectious disease we would know by now.

http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/notifiable-diseases

If its not, its purely the business of the people who became sick.  I wouldn't expect it to become public. Its a private matter.

The Doctors have said that the people responded to treatment for botulism. That will do me.

I will just make sure that my meat is always well cooked and carry on. I can't fathom the fuss.


Three members of a Waikato family are suffering botulism after eating wild boar meat.

"While we don't know the exact cause and source of this illness, we now believe it is botulism,"  said hospital spokeswoman Lydia Aydon.

"The three patients are responding to botulism anti-toxin and are recovering in hospital.

"We have sent samples off to a specialist centre in Queensland for testing but it may take several weeks before we get the results."





They were recovering before the botulism tests came back. We still don't know if it was botulism toxin or some other toxin. The fact that there is no statement about what did poison them is of great concern as, if it was the pork, it could happen to anyone that eats wild pork.

We, as hunters, need to be assured that it wasn't a toxin that could also affect us and if it could, we need to know how to deal with the situation. We also need to be assured that it wasn't a toxin that had been introduced into the food chain by human activity.
  
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I don't think hunters would give a rats arse if it wasn't for the fact that they think (hope even) it was a poison residue.

And if you think or mention poison, a new conspiracy theory about lies and a lack of disclosure is sure to follow. And so it is.

I'm satisfied that if there was a public health issue we would have known about it by now, or at least as soon as the test results turn up.
  

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botulism can come from other sources aswell,  possibly used home preserved herbs or veges bad preparation / preserving technique could cause botulism aswell.

  
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Bit disconcerting that in our 1st world country they still don’t know what it was.

Even the Phillipines get test results back within a couple of days.
  
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https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2017/12/10/update-on
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Not the whole gang.  Smiley

There are some valid points that have not been resolved.
  

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botulism can come from other sources aswell,  possibly used home preserved herbs or veges bad preparation / preserving technique could cause botulism aswell.



This is true, however the rapid onset of it across 3 adults doesn't add up. Botulism takes time t act. If say the adults ingested botulism toxin at an earlier meal then you would expect the differing metabolisms to mean each person came down with the effects over a more spread out period.

The reports of how it happened indicate something that came on fairly rapidly, and given all 3 adults came down at the same time that it came from a recent meal.

It doesn't sound like 1080 poisoning but does sound like some other rodent poisons.
  
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gonehuntin wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
botulism can come from other sources aswell,  possibly used home preserved herbs or veges bad preparation / preserving technique could cause botulism aswell.



This is true, however the rapid onset of it across 3 adults doesn't add up. Botulism takes time t act. If say the adults ingested botulism toxin at an earlier meal then you would expect the differing metabolisms to mean each person came down with the effects over a more spread out period.

The reports of how it happened indicate something that came on fairly rapidly, and given all 3 adults came down at the same time that it came from a recent meal.

It doesn't sound like 1080 poisoning but does sound like some other rodent poisons.


Yeah I remember aways back that the game buyers around Blenhiem stopped buying wild pigs for fear of poisoning.
People with cribs out and around the sounds were putting out poison for coons and rats,mr piggy was coming along and scoffing the dead things..what the bait was I cant remember but it was easily got.
My mate at the time was slightly pissed about not being able ti sell his pigs along with a shit load of others.
But I do remember them saying that this poison stayed in the grunters for some time and they were being caught
and taken to sell with no signs whatsoever of ever being poisoned.
Just ti add.. Roll Eyes I and a co worker followed a huge boar in quite open country for several hours while this big sod went from one 1080'd bunny to the next scoffing .
He was following a poison line we had put out a day or so before,eventually he vanished down into a scrubby creek, never did find him.That boar had scoffed a bloody lot of rabbits,the oldest dead rabbits would have been  two days old since taking the 1080.
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I'm satisfied that if there was a public health issue we would have known about it by now, or at least as soon as the test results turn up.


Of course you would be.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  
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BC wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
I'm satisfied that if there was a public health issue we would have known about it by now, or at least as soon as the test results turn up.


Of course you would be.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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gonehuntin wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
botulism can come from other sources aswell,  possibly used home preserved herbs or veges bad preparation / preserving technique could cause botulism aswell.



This is true, however the rapid onset of it across 3 adults doesn't add up. Botulism takes time t act. If say the adults ingested botulism toxin at an earlier meal then you would expect the differing metabolisms to mean each person came down with the effects over a more spread out period.

The reports of how it happened indicate something that came on fairly rapidly, and given all 3 adults came down at the same time that it came from a recent meal.

It doesn't sound like 1080 poisoning but does sound like some other rodent poisons.


so the wife put rat poison in the meal? would explain why the kids werent served the pork then.
  
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Vulcan wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
gonehuntin wrote on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
botulism can come from other sources aswell,  possibly used home preserved herbs or veges bad preparation / preserving technique could cause botulism aswell.



This is true, however the rapid onset of it across 3 adults doesn't add up. Botulism takes time t act. If say the adults ingested botulism toxin at an earlier meal then you would expect the differing metabolisms to mean each person came down with the effects over a more spread out period.

The reports of how it happened indicate something that came on fairly rapidly, and given all 3 adults came down at the same time that it came from a recent meal.

It doesn't sound like 1080 poisoning but does sound like some other rodent poisons.


so the wife put rat poison in the meal? would explain why the kids werent served the pork then.


Or maybe the husband. That's the odd thing, you'd think police would take more of an interest.
  
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Saw on the news this morning they were talking botulism.

I remember down South years ago getting a pig the dogs had got stuck into. That pig was got in the morning and cooled and hung as best we could - it was a raffle prize for the local Fire Brigade, yet that evening we had to turf it as it had gone off - stunk like an offal hole.

Also remember a deer my brother in law shot close to camp that he decided to bone out on the spot. Putting the meat in a sack he hung it up in a tree to cool.
I'd been off somewhere else and didn't get back to camp until late afternoon - and I could smell that meat.
Pulling the sack down we opened it up and found the meat in the middle was warm and had become green and slimy - was almost bubbling with corruption and giving off fumes that would stifle a match flame.

I reckon his pig had gone off and they felt the cooking and curry would kill the bugs and cover the foul taste the stench promised.

  
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certain beans, seeds, berries as well as shellfish can cause reactions internally which can bring on similar symptoms to those described. I doubt that pork alone was eaten. There would likely have been other foods or flavorings as well.

Police and medico's are bound by confidentiality rules.
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Interesting to read this morning that the guy didn't hunt/kill the pig himself, they'd apparently bought the meat online: https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/waikato-whanau-members-paralysed-f...
  

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so why did they report that he had killed the boar that morning. f**king media and their typical lies, still it all sounds pretty dodgey and either way the public will never know the truth everything about the case is odd.
  
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And look up Anatoxin, under cyanobacteria on US EPA site. (Blue Green Algae) Lethal shit and similar symptoms.

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so why did they report that he had killed the boar that morning..


To protect the source of the pork?
  

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Na still sounds dodgy ti me.............but then it would  Roll Eyes
  

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haha classic. Maybe your handle should be "highly strung" not "chilly"
2 of them are NZ residents. Racist much ?

chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.

  
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Oooh! goodness gracious me chilly, you be getting hotter over this than vindaloo?   Seems to me all the FACTS pertaining to this unfortunate event have not been discovered/made public yet?.   If someone is very ill they must be treated asap., worry about the payment later.
  

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chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.


Ouch. I tell you what Chilly, I don't mind my taxes going towards funding your calming meds no matter what your heritage. Just so long as you keep taking them.
  

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chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.


You will when it happens to you too.
I’m more than happy for my taxes to go to helping them.
  
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chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.


Never ever thought I'd say this to anyone on this forum - but you are a f**king arsehole.
  
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Chilly is taking a holiday. Hes been asking for it for a long time and has had more than a number of warnings over a very long time.  Smiley

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Maddoghunter wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.


You will when it happens to you too.
I’m more than happy for my taxes to go to helping them.


me too.  Smiley
  

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Good man Headcase - attitudes like that enhance nothing.
  
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chilly wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
Who gives a flying f--k about 3 indians anyway, are they paying
for all this medical care or what, thats the real issue.


and I thought I was a tad racist...

if you took time to read the related articles you wouldve known the grandmother is facing a very large medical bill. the other 2 are nz residents, most likely working and paying taxes and are entitled to the same free healthcare you and me are.
  
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Dear me GH, your posts are becoming more reasonable by the day. This is a worry.  Grin
  

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headcase wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Chilly is taking a holiday. Hes been asking for it for a long time and has had more than a number of warnings over a very long time.  Smiley

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Well executed. 30 days to thaw out and then hopefully warm up a bit to our fellow kiwis.
  
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Oscar wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 10:37am:
Interesting to read this morning that the guy didn't hunt/kill the pig himself, they'd apparently bought the meat online: https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/waikato-whanau-members-paralysed-f...


Actually Oscar in the article itself:

"the whānau from Waikato did not purchase their home-kill meat online".

Maybe it was bought from mates offline??
I think the article is just a general cautionary about eating home kill & hunted meat.

I'm keen to see what the lab test results eventually show. Poorly cared for wild pork or some product added to the meal? Maybe the lab tests will not be able to distinguish what part of the meal was at fault?
  
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Then they have changed the article. Sneaky
  

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Then they have changed the article. Sneaky


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Oscar wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 10:37am:
Interesting to read this morning that the guy didn't hunt/kill the pig himself, they'd apparently bought the meat online: https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/waikato-whanau-members-paralysed-f...

Streuth, Maori tv are starting to look like an honest news source! I’ll have to read their stuff more often.

I think you’ve misread the article Oscar.

If it was purchased from a hunter, I’d hate to be in that hunters boots when MPI catch up with him/her.
I’m sure they’d make an example.

Anyway, when the bloke gets more better he’ll be able to get all the test results and we’ll all get to the bottom of this.
  
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Maddoghunter wrote yesterday at 6:06pm:
Oscar wrote on Dec 13th, 2017 at 10:37am:
Interesting to read this morning that the guy didn't hunt/kill the pig himself, they'd apparently bought the meat online: https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/waikato-whanau-members-paralysed-f...

Streuth, Maori tv are starting to look like an honest news source! I’ll have to read their stuff more often.

I think you’ve misread the article Oscar.


Nah, it was revised last night to take out the statement they bought it online which was originally in there. But they don't note the specific change, funnily enough

Here's the original article: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FhXVf-MyevQJ:https://www.m...

And what it said for a start:

Quote:
Council Environmental Health officers are concerned about the selling of home-kill meat via social media following a recent case where one Waikato family fell seriously ill after eating wild boar they had bought online. It is suspected the boar was contaminated with potential fatal botulism.


  

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There looks to be mischievous intent in those articles. The location of the apparent author gives a clue.
  

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There looks to be mischievous intent in those articles. The location of the apparent author gives a clue.

What’s going down in Ruapehu?
  
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