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Reply #30 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 5:49pm
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Family are responding well to the anti-toxin too I read, which is great news (and confirms the diagnosis). Pork for tea tomorrow night then  Smiley

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Reply #31 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 5:50pm
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well if it had been sitting around for 24 hours unrefrigerated.. a possibility. 

I Hope there is a full investigation as to what and why..
  

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Reply #32 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 6:00pm
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Doctors believe three people left gravely ill after eating wild boar are suffering from botulism, a Waikato Hospital spokeswoman says.

"While we don't know the exact cause and source of this illness, we now believe it is botulism. The three patients are responding to botulism anti-toxin and are recovering in hospital.

"We have sent samples off to a specialist centre in Queensland for testing but it may take several weeks before we get the results. We have no evidence to believe there is any public health issue."

  

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Reply #33 - Nov 17th, 2017 at 9:45pm
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BC wrote on Nov 17th, 2017 at 11:03am:
EC wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Tararua Hunter wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Alan wrote on Nov 16th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
couldn't be 1080 could it or could it be something they ate with it... I'm on newstalk hoskings  at 7 am... I think its important we dont gettoo carried away until we know what it is.... but its pretty unheard of to get poisoned by fresh wild meat... unless it was really sick and then you would think cooking it would have done it... and you would know when you gutted it or looked at it..

to react that quick, no it couldn't
And theyd have to eaten the organs full of 1080 to get a lethal dose, I imagine
Theres probably several possible causes, more likely than 1080.
Ask a doctor Smiley


Sounds like the Doctor has just spoken  Roll Eyes


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Reply #34 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am
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My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.
  
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Reply #35 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:01am
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if the pig was shot a tad far back (hitting guts) you would have heaps of really smelly bits inside carcase straight away and bullet holes open up meat for it to get into.
say pig took 1/2 hour to find,then gutted but not washed out in creek....or worse still washed out but not properly leaving wet smelly shitty bits to spread faster.... pig then carried to where ever they camping and left in hot sun while they had a cuppa.... then processed ,next day cut some off and cook it not overly well "so it didnt dry out"
and man do you have a recipe for trouble.
there is a good/gross article in last NZ Hunter magazine that pretty well covers looking after freshly shot deer,it transphers across to pork.
I was taught to ALWAYS open up the pelvis in animals as soon as possible to aid cooling and prop carcase open with short stick etc.....you dont see this so much now days as most animal recovery you see photos of is not whole animal but boned out meat.....maybe the skill set is being lost???
  
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Reply #36 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:57am
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Marty Foote wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am:
My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.



Another good reason not to carry butchered meat in plastic bags.
  

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Reply #37 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 9:50am
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headcase wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:57am:
Marty Foote wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am:
My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.



Another good reason not to carry butchered meat in plastic bags.


+1 on not using plastic bags, we had un-oiled japara meatbags , for boned out meat, way back in the past. Had been known to use a japara sleepingbag cover for excess meat at times.  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #38 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 12:13pm
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Cotton pillow slips at $4 for 2 at Warehouse.
Just don't get them confused with your actual linen for your bed.
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 12:24pm
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ash...getting them mixed up is ok....letting the Mrs find out however can be rather problematic Grin Grin
  
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Reply #40 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 12:55pm
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Marty Foote wrote on Nov 18th, 2017 at 6:15am:
My understanding of botulism is that it is a common bacteria and only produces the toxin in anaerobic conditions. The toxin is normally associated with canned or fermented foods.

The Eskimos ferment seal and whale meat in a pit lined with grass. They started getting botulism poisoning after they tried fermenting the meat in plastic buckets. No botulism poisoning has resulted from meat fermented in the old grass lined pits.


This interested me so I looked it up. Thanks.

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Reply #41 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 3:08pm
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Looks like we have to be careful what we feed our dogs too. Never heard of this.

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Reply #42 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 5:06pm
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Im actuallty a little suprissed it took so long to dignose and get a vacine to them. Not exaclty like lighting.
  

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Reply #43 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:09pm
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There's gota be more to the story
I'm guessing they aren't hunters and were possibly on a chartered hunt or given some pork..
From there who knows how long it was before the meat was chilled and if they even chowed down on some organs..
80% of actual hunters would be pretty particular with food prep and looking after the kill.. then theres the lot that aren't terribly careful with getting the meat back to the fridge, and they still don't get crook...
There's definitely more to the story
  
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Reply #44 - Nov 18th, 2017 at 7:20pm
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yip, hope any investigation gets to the bottom of it. Would be doing everyone a favour.
  

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