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Reply #195 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:41pm
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gonehuntin wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
I think most of you here have forgotten 1 thing. molesworth is primarily a working station not a private trophy park, cattle and reducing tb are a far higher priority then a few scummy hunters yet once again a selfish hunters seem to think they have the right to dictate what should and shouldnt be used to protect crown owned deer.

not your deer, not your land, get over it most of nz dosent care and dosent really have a reason to. mayby find another reason apart from your own selfish ones to get repellents or 1080 banned and mayby the rest of us would care. youre all like a nagging wife so youre pushing shite uphill to get someone to listen let alone do some thing  Cheesy

Cattle and the stations bottomline are far more important then wild pest animals


Scummy hunters  Cheesy
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Are you squirming in amongst the poison dicks or just being a tad silly   Huh
  

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Reply #196 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:42pm
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huntnfish wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 4:34pm:
TB infected possums were released on Muzzel Station which bounders Molesworth Station southern boundary along the Clarence.


I am sure most people will find that as sinister as there a supposed to be plenty of TB possums on Molesworth.
They always follow up a TB possum release with a 1080 drop.


The full story about that study is worth reading, for those who are interested in the actual details: How does chronic TB affect possum movements?
  

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Reply #197 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm
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gonehuntin wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
I think most of you here have forgotten 1 thing. molesworth is primarily a working station not a private trophy park, cattle and reducing tb are a far higher priority then a few scummy hunters yet once again a selfish hunters seem to think they have the right to dictate what should and shouldnt be used to protect crown owned deer.

not your deer, not your land, get over it most of nz dosent care and dosent really have a reason to. mayby find another reason apart from your own selfish ones to get repellents or 1080 banned and mayby the rest of us would care. youre all like a nagging wife so youre pushing shite uphill to get someone to listen let alone do some thing  Cheesy

Cattle and the stations bottomline are far more important then wild pest animals


1080 has only ever affected my hunting once so from a hunting point of veiw not a biggie using it as it currently is.
But anyone with half a brain can't think it is a good thing droping poison into our environment.
Then the fact that it kills in a very cruel way.
All that aside I still think that the so called pests add alot to New Zealand .
  
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Re: Molesworth 1080
Reply #198 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:57pm
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Deer hunter Duck Shooter wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
gonehuntin wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
I think most of you here have forgotten 1 thing. molesworth is primarily a working station not a private trophy park, cattle and reducing tb are a far higher priority then a few scummy hunters yet once again a selfish hunters seem to think they have the right to dictate what should and shouldnt be used to protect crown owned deer.

not your deer, not your land, get over it most of nz dosent care and dosent really have a reason to. mayby find another reason apart from your own selfish ones to get repellents or 1080 banned and mayby the rest of us would care. youre all like a nagging wife so youre pushing shite uphill to get someone to listen let alone do some thing  Cheesy

Cattle and the stations bottomline are far more important then wild pest animals


1080 has only ever affected my hunting once so from a hunting point of veiw not a biggie using it as it currently is.
But anyone with half a brain can't think it is a good thing droping poison into our environment.
Then the fact that it kills in a very cruel way.
All that aside I still think that the so called pests add alot to New Zealand .


alot would argue death by gunshot or bow is a cruel way to die aswell, you want hunting banned too? cant tell me a gutshot or a jaw blown off is a nicer death then 1080? a clean shot is the intention and dosent always go to plan. killing only possums was the intention but It didnt go to plan

Im not for or against 1080 but it does disapoint me the amount that gets used and yes its probably not that good for the environment but neither are humans. if we want change we have to create an alternitive, how many on here whinging went in and carried out possum work? how many even shot a possum in there or did they not want to spook the deer? I havent read any posts to say "I tried to catch possums but the numbers werent there to make it worthwhile"  weve only got ourselves to blame.

Want to do something to stop your fav spot getting bombed then mayby forget the deer for a while and chase the coon.
  
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Reply #199 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm
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Your make some good points GH. There are two sides to every story.

Me, I leave the deer and shoot the possums, rabbits and the hares, stoats, ferrets, cats, wallabys and hedgehogs.  Wink

Plenty of deer about but its satisfying to see the numbers drop of the above.

It would be helpfull if more people saw the direct value in lowering the numbers of small intoduced species.


  

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Reply #200 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:39pm
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My 2 cents.... 1080 gets dropped not because of whats right or wrong, weather there is a "pest" problem or not, weather its the best method to prevent tb bla bla bla.  Its about money and the gravy train that results from that. People that promote it benefit from it, and also some people who are against it are for self centred reasons. I think the world bans it for a reason weather they are hunters or not. I hate the shit and all of the lies and deception that goes with it. Smiley
  

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Reply #201 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:53pm
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  Its about money and the gravy train that results from that.


As farmers contribute something like $150 million a year thru levies etc, I don't see it as a gravy train. Once TB is either eradicated or controlled then this money will stay in the farmer's pockets.
  
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Reply #202 - Dec 6th, 2017 at 11:02pm
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A bit of light reading http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/16611/Blueprint-to-hit-Tb-pests-where-it... seems to be at odds with recent developments.
  

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Reply #203 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:08am
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Sika 9 wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
My 2 cents.... 1080 gets dropped not because of whats right or wrong, weather there is a "pest" problem or not, weather its the best method to prevent tb bla bla bla.  Its about money and the gravy train that results from that. People that promote it benefit from it, and also some people who are against it are for self centred reasons. I think the world bans it for a reason weather they are hunters or not. I hate the shit and all of the lies and deception that goes with it. Smiley


That's easily fixed. Stop your lies and deception. Smiley
  

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Reply #204 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:22am
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Grin Grin Grin, No lies, no deception. Just my opinion BC.
  

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Reply #205 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:02am
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Sika 9 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 6:22am:
Grin Grin Grin, No lies, no deception. Just my opinion BC.


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Reply #206 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:10am
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gonehuntin wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
I think most of you here have forgotten 1 thing. molesworth is primarily a working station not a private trophy park, cattle and reducing tb are a far higher priority then a few scummy hunters yet once again a selfish hunters seem to think they have the right to dictate what should and shouldnt be used to protect crown owned deer.

not your deer, not your land, get over it most of nz dosent care and dosent really have a reason to. mayby find another reason apart from your own selfish ones to get repellents or 1080 banned and mayby the rest of us would care. youre all like a nagging wife so youre pushing shite uphill to get someone to listen let alone do some thing  Cheesy

Cattle and the stations bottomline are far more important then wild pest animals



A wee history lesson GH:

Molesworth has always been Crown land (i.e. owned by us, the public). Grazing leases were abandoned  by the holders in the 1940's  because Headcase and his thermal sight had not yet been invented. Since then its been run as a farm by LINZ, then LandCorp, who fought very hard to keep us excluded from the area till DoC  (and believe it or not a forest and bird influence) prevailed in the early 2000's, and had the entire area classified as Public Conservation Land. Doc kept LandCorp running most of the area as a farm (correct term Farm Park) to recognise the areas unique history, as well as the environmental outcomes running most of it as a farm gave. A key outcome was that recreational opportunities had to be ENHANCED.

So GH, it is our land, and they are our deer (in the broadest sense)  Smiley
  
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Reply #207 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:15am
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Grazing leases were abandoned  by the holders in the 1940's

The rabbits got the better of the situation and made it their own? or something else?  Smiley

Just to clarify, thermal imagine will not solve Nzs pest problem. They are just another tool to reduce numbers.   I still use a few  ton  of Pindone every year  with the other tools and combined they only hold numbers in check. Just sayin.. untill a biological solution and total eradication of pesky critters we will be having this discussion for a long time..

Still support more deer repellent though. Deer numbers are easy to control from the air on land such as Molesworth, so they are not a problem. If theres too many , knock em back.  Its the small stuff that we dont see easily needs the lid kept on it with constant pressure.
  

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Reply #208 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:43am
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Backcountry Bob wrote on Dec 6th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
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As farmers contribute something like $150 million a year thru levies etc, I don't see it as a gravy train. Once TB is either eradicated or controlled then this money will stay in the farmer's pockets.


Its a Gravy train alright. Farmers are only contributing to the TBFREE program, just another sub group of DOC posion operation and is small compared to  DOCs Battle of the birds and anything else they come up with next.
TB will never get controlled in the near future while TBFREE has anything to do with it, the Gravy train must roll on.
Theres always going to some excuse that TB is around or the 1080 rain must continue to make sure that the TB doesnt start again in possums.
Farmers will continue to pay for as long as DOC can get them too, and it wont end anytime soon.
DOC and TBFREE play Farmers like they play the NZDA and the general hunting public and misled the general public on BS facts why theres drops must continue
  
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Reply #209 - Dec 7th, 2017 at 8:03am
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madfish71 wrote on Dec 7th, 2017 at 7:43am:
TB will never get controlled in the near future while TBFREE has anything to do with it, the Gravy train must roll on.
Theres always going to some excuse that TB is around or the 1080 rain must continue to make sure that the TB doesnt start again in possums.


Grin Don't let the facts get in the way of a fantasy. TBFree's budget was reduced by 25% last year, $20m pa or thereabouts. Because of their success in controlling TB.

If only they realized the world-class knowledge on bTB eradication resided on this Forum though  Grin
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