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Shotgun shells and plastics
Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:03pm
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Plastic shotgun shell waste - why are the shell wads plastic? I live on the coast and our beaches are covered not only with shotgun shells but the inner wads too after duck shooting season. Why the fuk aren't the wads made bio degradible. I'm so over the amount of plastic crap that ends up on our beaches that's washed down the rivers. I watched Redstag program last night and just count the number of plastic wads and shells left in that lake?! They don't go away, they're there forever!!!
  
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Re: Shotgun shells and plastics
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:16pm
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Plastic pollution was a major subject of discussion at the NZ Fish and Game council meeting I attended over the weekend, We are already looking at alternatives and how quickly we can have them in place.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:28pm
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it would be nice to see a biodegradle wad, cant see plastic being replaced the pressure with steel shot i believe wont allow it . Maybe we should go back to paper lead shot...Now thats a idea .
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:57pm
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the wads have no anti UV in the plastic ( titanium oxide ) over a period of time they break down and crumble away ( depending on the intensity of the UV ) Ive often wondered if NZ could not come up with a pressed wood fibre wad that could use waste wood and be biodegradable .
the fibre wads used now are no good for steel and throw lousy patterns with lead as they dont produce a good gas seal
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 6:08am
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This might sound silly but we walk around our pond with a hand held fishing net scooping wads out of water at the end of season,also we have put those extendable magnets from super cheap on a wee pole,so when there's a slow shooting time we have a wee pick up of shells,Also how do gun clubs get on with the wad problem?,I know its over land,As suggested maybe little old NZ could come up with a bio wad,we do have a ammo company here in NZ and many passionate hunters,As for that hunters club program,if my info is correct they were shooting on a private pond,Its slack not picking shells up,Maybe wads could be made a fluoresce colour so easily to see on land and so picking them up would be easier??
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 9:52am
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a lot of gun clubs mow their grass areas out in front. As I said previously the wads eventually become brittle and crumble away to nothing. mowing speeds this process up. speaking as one who has worked in the plastics industry for many years. the producers of the colourful cases could go a long way to helping , by not putting any UV protection in their plastic. The case would then break down and the steel rust away
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:13pm
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I always pick up my shells, not necessarly on the day but at some stage and during summer when the pond is low I pick up all the old ones.  It took me a couple of years to pick up all the ones left over from the last bloke who shot there.

Wads are a much harder problem because they are more dispersed.  Not sure I agree with the crumbling away to nothing theory because our oceans are filled with millions of tons of microplastics.  Wads wouldn't be a very small part of this problem though as most of it is just rubbish that ends up in the ocean.

Personally I think we should be going to waxed paper shells, fiber wads and rock salt and pepper corn shot so it's all bio degradable and your duck is seasoned as well as dead.  Either that or laser beam shotguns.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:05pm
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Does the laser beam shotgun cook em as well?
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:07pm
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a lot of gun clubs mow their grass areas out in front.


I mow the grass at our club.I guess there would be 15-20,000 wads every month shot off.
I mow the little bastards up and they disappear fairly quickly with a good chopping.
  

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ReelLuckyBouy wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Does the laser beam shotgun cook em as well?

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=burnt+duck&site=webhp&tbm=isch&imgil=t7TMQVtR3...

  
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Reply #10 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 8:22pm
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wads have very thin sections and the UV breaks the poly down. ive picked them up at our club and had them crumble like crackers in my hand
  
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ReelLuckyBouy wrote on Jul 26th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Does the laser beam shotgun cook em as well?


No it just singes the feathers off and crisps up the skin.
  

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Reply #12 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 6:51pm
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Its not hard to pick up empty shells from after a shoot.
It doesn't matter weather its a field, pond or lake.
We always pick up our empties whenever we row out to pick up some downed birds. Takes no more than a minute at most and stops them from drifting away to make an eyesore and a problem elsewhere on the lake.

Wads are a bit more trickier, but once again a bit of time walking or rowing the pond edge after the shoot or at the end of the weekend and you can pick up all that end up gathered along the downwind edge.

IMHO Its mostly laziness and a lack of care for the environment that causes  some of the mentioned issues.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 9:47pm
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Just use a black powder shotgun then there'll only the wads to pick up  and you can use lead shot in all gauges  Wink if what I've read is true
  
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Re: Shotgun shells and plastics
Reply #14 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 11:55pm
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I have always lamented the demise of the old paper cases used when I was a boy.......they faded away fairly quickly when exposed to the elements.A waxed paper case,with some type of tough tubular cardboard or fiber cup wad,would work well if it could be made tough enough to protect the bore from the ravages of steel shot.
  
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