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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #15 - Dec 24th, 2017 at 4:30am
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Totally agree to the above unless dealing with meat head hunterway  Grin Grin
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 1:18am
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DT used to be a good brand a few years back, they have good range and a wide level of stimulation levels also have a beep function and a vibrate function.
The way I was taught to use them is with the vibrate feature as a reward so the dog knows when its doing good too. Using it as a warning prior to a shock is not a good method. It will just create a collar shy dog.

So just as with being able to correct the dog at distance, you can "praise" at a distance.
Start close on a lead, blending the verbal , physical and electronic methods together before going to more distance.
Never use one in anger, you have to be very clinical about it.

Probably best left to an expert unless you have some experience with them or know someone that can show you.
  
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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2018 at 6:14am
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Some good ideas there John.
  

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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #18 - Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:18pm
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Been using Sportdog collars for aversion training for quite a few years now and have been v happy with a pair of them.  Yes I am one of those who had to trial it on myself before I could allow it on my dogs so I have a healthy respect for using the shock feature.  I've found though that even with the dial on 8 I'm now only experiencing a tingle where once 4 was as high as I'd go.  To be expected with age and for quite a few years regularly use at Kiwi aversion days.  Wondering now if anyone has ever replaced a battery or knows anywhere that does or if I'm better off buying new gear price and reliability wise...???
  
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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 6:31am
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just about guarantee your local small electrics repair store will be able to do it for you.......find the old guy out the back not the young pimply one behind the counter Wink
  
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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #20 - Feb 25th, 2019 at 9:24pm
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E collars are an excellent tool, used wisely they can save a dog from being sold or put down for bad behavior. I have working dogs and put them on everyday. I havent given a dog a shock for a very long time.
Start off with a low setting, even try it on yourself to understand what the dog is getting. I have the garmin pro 70.
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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #21 - Mar 1st, 2019 at 3:23pm
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I should add though that in the hands of someone who has no dog training experience or is a poor trainer, using a shock collar can destroy a dog, totally and utterly.  They really are only for the experienced that understand how dogs learn .

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Re: Correction/ shock collars other than garmin tracking gear
Reply #22 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 7:22am
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Flyer wrote on Dec 24th, 2017 at 2:19am:
Only collar to buy is the Garmin 550 pro. Everything else is rubbish and won’t last the distance.

Every comment so far has been based on aversion training only. You need to be clear in your goals from the outset? Are you just going to use it for aversion, example dog chases sheep and gets burned for it. Kiwi aversion training is the same thing.
Or do you want to learn how to train a dog properly with the collar? Correct e collar use is the most humane way you can train a dog. It is also the quickest and most effective It is no different to the use of any other form of pressure with the main emphasis in this type of training system being teaching the dog how to understand and turn any pressure off.
Before you go embarking on this journey you need to have your handling/training  skills finely honed. Your ability to teach, timing, understanding the dogs intent, knowing when to back off and simplify, knowing when to push forward are all key skills you will need. Understanding when a dog has made a mistake and when it has deliberately disobeyed are also really important.
If you don’t have these key skills sets then you need to get that sorted first.

No one has yet talked about properly e collar conditioning the dog. This is a 2-3 week lesson where the dog is taught to understand the pressure the collar produces and how to appropriately respond to that pressure. It is completed using known commands and pressure that the dog already understands, example choke chain. It is a complex lesson that needs tuition and guidance the first couple of times it is taught.

The training stimulation levels I use on my dogs I can use on myself on my own neck. The idea that the dog is being shocked are incorrect.

The last thing I would say is you will need to get the old human emotion of anger/frustration under control first. If you get angry or frustrated during training now then that needs to be sorted first before you strap an e collar on a dog.




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