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Black Powder Shotgunning
May 29th, 2017 at 12:26am
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I am considering buying a muzzle loading shotgun and was wondering if anyone has been using a muzzle loading shotgun this duck shooting season? I am looking at buying a pedersoli side by side and was interested in any feedback on this brand of shotgun?
  
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Re: Black Powder Shotgunning
Reply #1 - May 29th, 2017 at 9:31am
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Can't help you with this season, nor the last one - or even the one before that, but I do have an English single barrel muzzleloader 12 bore I used for ducks, but haven't shot it over water since they went to steel shot - a long time ago.

Pedersoli make quality guns, though aesthetics can be lacking in some models - in my opinion.

Their 12 bore double was a nice gun, or the one I handled was - but that was a long time ago.
You might want to check that the gun you are thinking of is 'steel' compatible - or you could possibly use plastic cups to hold your shot, but the ones from years ago were very light weight and gave the barrel little protection.
When I briefly played with them I used the standard vegetable fibre wad column and cut the gas expansion and collapsable section off the base of the cup as it gave no seal.
The steel shot abraded through those cups causing some scoring to the barrel.
They might have beefed them up now ?

Hopefully, someone else with more up to date knowledge will hop on here - I'll be interested.
  
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Re: Black Powder Shotgunning
Reply #2 - May 30th, 2017 at 2:38am
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Muzzle loaders are exempt from steel shot use.

They are fine for ducks. I hunted last season with a shooter using a Pedersoli, it went off and killed birds entirely adequately. The second shot was sometimes obscured by smoke, and the steel butplate in such a light gun produced recoil that could only be described as brisk.



Note the smoke still in the air.
  
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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2017 at 7:42am
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I did not know that - and I'm pissed that I didn't.

When I did shoot ducks with the ML, I never really felt disadvantaged when I was shooting with my mates and their modern shooters - maybe a little less range (cylinder bore) and the slow loading of course.
Recoil is a little stiffer due to the 90gr powder charge and the discharge 'boom' is quite different - my mates always knew where I was when stream stalking.

I think you just answered Brooke's question.

Nice photo - you look like you're poaching the Avon.

  
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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2017 at 8:26am
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sounds like you should get the old girl out again SF90..... its just got to be done.
  
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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2017 at 10:31pm
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Oh, I dunno - duck shooting for me was something I always did with mates.
I came North in 1979 and left them all behind in Wellington - then I got busy building a house and doing other stuff.
I only remember using that gun on two occasions in the time I've been here - might have been more, just can't remember.

A year or two after I got here and had finished (?) the house, I put together a boat - a 24 foot open clinker hull with a steam engine and boiler I'd built back in Wellington.
It didn't go too quick, that boat - I could swim quicker, but I had a hell of a lot of fun in it.

There were a small group of people here that shot trap and I fell in with them for a while - they were duck shooters, had maimai's all around the lake they shot every opening morning.

One opening morning a neighbour and I who were somewhat outside the tight group went down in the early hours and lit the fire and managed to join the flotilla heading out across the lake.
Three hours later we were still heading out as the rest of the boats passed us coming home.

I don't remember getting a duck that day, my neighbour had visitors arriving at 3.00 pm that afternoon, so after looking over a couple of swamps and stocking up with driftwood, we headed home.
We were both pretty tired as we'd had bugger all sleep and the wind had got up forcing us to zig zag to make any progress. On one tack I remember looking at a stick poking out of the water close in to shore. One cigarette later I searched for that stick again - and it was exactly where it had been the first time I saw it - so we zagged.
Eventually we both went to sleep and only woke up to the hull pounding on the rocks a little short of Humphries Bay on Lake Tarawera - a shitty, shitty place.
We'd drifted a good two miles and had a bugger of a job getting out of there as the fire had gone out and the funnel had caught up in a pohutukawa.
Eventually we did, but it was touch and go - the wind and waves pushing us back in faster than the boat could go.

Got home to find a note at my neighbour's saying his visitors had arrived - and gone again.
He was so incensed I decided to leave and as I was walking down his drive a rock whistled passed my ear so close I felt it's wind.
He didn't talk to me for weeks after that - and never went out in my boat again.

The other occasion was only about four or five years ago and in retrospect was quite funny - but I gotta go to work now.



  
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Re: Black Powder Shotgunning
Reply #6 - May 31st, 2017 at 2:07am
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Get wads and over shot and over powder cards from Track of the Wolf https://www.trackofthewolf.com/list/Item.aspx/170/1 , they also sell measures etc  and are a great company to deal with .
Use equal volumes  of powder ( FFg ) and shot . these can be carried in pre measured plastic pill bottles etc .

Load powder - over powder card or cards- shot and lastly a thin over shot card .

Be aware that in a double's  unfired barrel the load  can move forward and form an obstruction if the wads etc are not tight enough , I always re rammed the (uncapped) load as a precaution , although it wasn't needed.

I have owned a Pedersoli double and the only problem was a bit of cap splatter from the left hand barrel .I have also owned a Pedersoli single barrel Mortimer flintlock 12 ga which was a great gun .

I have just had alook at Pedersoli's shotgun page and see they make a lot of new models  https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/risultati-ricerca-armi.asp?l=en .

I reload old Eley thin wall straight tube Brass 12 ga cartridges and use Track's 10 ga wads in these and they work just fine
  

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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2017 at 5:53am
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that sounds like a really funy thing to look back on...... I built a canoe/punt 8 foot long and 2 foot wide..... paddling hard out I could match but not overtake a paddling duck,had some huge paddles to get woundies,chased one for about a km across lake trying to get close enough to fire finishing shot, only to have it dive and not resurface within 50 yards of shore  Grin Grin
  
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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2017 at 9:39am
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Micky Duck wrote on May 31st, 2017 at 5:53am:
that sounds like a really funy thing to look back on...... I built a canoe/punt 8 foot long and 2 foot wide..... paddling hard out I could match but not overtake a paddling duck,had some huge paddles to get woundies,chased one for about a km across lake trying to get close enough to fire finishing shot, only to have it dive and not resurface within 50 yards of shore  Grin Grin


I can absolutely picture that.

My best mate and I would toss a coin to see who was dog for the day and I can't remember ever winning a toss.
Absolutely starkers fetching dead ducks that refused to blow ashore and chasing wounded ducks through the mud, reeds and open water, all the while shitting about the eels while he sat ashore cackling away to himself.
Saw him not so long ago, old as buggery and fat as a hog.

Good days - those.

  
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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 12:51am
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so SF90 have you dug the old shottie out of cupboard and cleaned the mason bees out of her barrel yet????
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 12:53pm
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My son had got a hankering to shoot her and the old girl he occasionally works for over the hill at the next lake has a goose problem, so we parked ourselves in the mud under a hedge in the early hours and waited for the geese to come in.

And the buggers didn't ................

He did shoot a parry though, then I missed it's partner which had come around looking for its mate with my single 12 bore cartridge gun - felt like a right bastard.

Son said he had fun, then he told mum when we got home that ...... "dad couldn't shoot for shit."


  
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Reply #11 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:14pm
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awesome day out all the same..... them geeses can be like that,but boy do them battered breast cubes taste good when you do manage to get one.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:41am
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Some five or six weeks back back, my son brought home a pocket size duckling he found all alone in the middle of the road in the fading light.
Had us a bit stuffed as to what it was, but the 'baleen' (teeth) at the back of its bill told us what it was - but only after a look on the Internet - a shoveller.
And not so little anymore come to that, she's (yeah, it's a girl duck) growing like the clappers on meal worms and a yellow stinky stuff my wife puts in its food water tray ...... "chukka, chukka, chukka ....... " as she stands there hoovering up the mixed food and water, the filtered water pulsing out both sides through the baleen at the at the rear of her bill.
Really interesting to watch - and with no mum to teach her how to do that.

She will grow to about 53cm, so my wife has had to purchase a longer roasting dish .......... and now we find - she's on the non bloody shooting list.

The kids along the road were keen to give her a name (we're really rubbish at naming our pets), so to give them equal opportunity and show no favouritism we took their $2 gold coin as they deposited their names in a hat - then we got the old bat next door to do the lucky dip.
And it was - our little girl is now named 'Keldren Hokey Wokey Pooey Bum Duck'.

And talking about geese reminds me of the pheasant I clouted in the car going to work. Gave it to the missus with the instructions to look up how to cook the bugger and arrived home to find I was sharing my pheasant with three of her favourite friends which with my household equaled 8 healthy appetites.
Fortunately they brought cheap wine which after a while - didn't matter.

And for anyone who's interested, I quit the Tai Chi group, just too much meaningless gossip - couldn't take it anymore.


  
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Reply #13 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 7:00am
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shovelers ARE on the gamebird list...we are allowed 2 per day down here...but hens are not in huge numbers so we pretty much leave them alone...a well plumaged drake is a different story.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:38am
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Prob got 20 of them living on my pond M.D. rather good eating to
  
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Reply #15 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 10:47am
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When I was doing the homework on what we had, I did read that they were a protected species - and never thought to question it.

Our one is pretty safe, will likely go to some wildlife park or haven when it gets old enough - or it might choose to bugger off as I also read that the urge to migrate and mate is fairly strong with these birds.

I don't recall having seen one of these chappies out here, not a male anyway - and I've been here a while now.

Cheers MD - and I probably got a bit loose with that last post despite it being true - apart from the roasting dish, that is.

Oh - and whacking the neighbours kids $2 for the privilege of giving it a name - missus got shitty with that one.




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Reply #16 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 7:21pm
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I did think 53cm was a tad on the large size....a full grown spoonie weighs not much more than a pound when soaking wet.
  
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