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USA trip rethink
Jan 27th, 2017 at 11:14am
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I was in the early process of planning a hunt/fish trip to Colorado this coming fall, but New Zealanders may now have to front up in person for a face to face interview with consular official to obtain a visa.
This should be just a formality as I have visited/transited the USA several times but I feel the 8hr round trip required to comply with Trumps new rules just makes going back to British Columbia this fall so much more attractive and not potentially subject to change.
  

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Re: USA trip rethink
Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 7:43pm
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I am not familiar with these new rules.  Fill me in please.  I live in the US and haven't heard of them yet.  You would think I would know but its been a political trainwreck here this week.  It impossible to figure out what that megalomaniac is ruining at any given moment.  I know he and the conservative party have a huge hard on for illegal immigrants and refuges right now.  maybe it will get better.  If you need advice on Colorado, I can help as I live here.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 8:21pm
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A NZ news item yesterday warned that visitors to the US that are required to obtain a visa (that includes NZrs) will have to be interviewed in person by a US Consulate official rather than apply on line.
This planned change (by the Trump admin.) is to tighten the US borders.
Part of "making America safe again" I guess.
My travel agent says nothing has changed yet, but travellers are rushing to get online applications in before any change.
He reckoned it will just be a huge bottle neck and there is no way consular staff could handle it.
Quite frankly, I can't be bothered with the uncertainty of any possible changes or hassles with planning required so far out.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 8:55pm
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So I have been thinking about a hunting trip to the US this year as well. Do we just need to front up in Wellington for an interview before we purchase our tickets? I am assuming we will need the visa approved before we go and buy tickets?
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 9:41pm
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Sneaka wrote on Jan 27th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
So I have been thinking about a hunting trip to the US this year as well. Do we just need to front up in Wellington for an interview before we purchase our tickets? I am assuming we will need the visa approved before we go and buy tickets?

Check with your travel agent or send a tweet to the Donald. Grin
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 10:17pm
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Thanks for the clarity.  Hoping things get better with regards to travel.  Trump is single handily pissing the world off.  I figured he was just going to be an embarrassment but I suspect it will be worse than that before he finishes.  *sigh*  Good luck.  Let us know how you get on.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 8:11am
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Check it again I think I saw an article where it said there was confusion over the name of the visa program being reviewed and it was a similar but different one, and NZ tourists don't need to personally reply.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/323150/new-border-rules-likely-for-emigra...
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 8:54am
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But she said that anyone wishing to travel on holiday for fewer than 90 days would be unaffected.


Section from the article as per above. Thanks Stug. Looks like tourists are all ok. Just if you want to live or work in the US.

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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2017 at 1:01pm
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I'm sure you'll be fine entering the US.  I think other factors will be more important to decide on location e.g. preference points (would be useful in CO), species you'll hunt and also if you using a guide (you'll need one for BC).  Good luck on your research.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2017 at 10:55pm
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Everyone is having a giant freak out over Trump but he's trying to change US immigration policy to be similar to countries like Australia, Canada and NZ.

I think everyone needs to calm the f down and take a breath. The guy might surprise you.

That being said I know for a fact if you want to hunt Alberta or BC you either need to hire a guide or have a local hunter host you, which isn't a requirement in most western US states...so if you were looking to do a self guided hunt Canada isn't the place sadly.

What species were you going after? Have you started building priority points in any states yet?
  
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Re: USA trip rethink
Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 9:01am
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There is a lot of knee jerk sensationalism going around the media. However it comes out, it is likely USA will be easier than Canada...especially if you want to do a DIY trip. Colorado is a good state, especially for opportunity at elk. Deer are more limited and require a draw. Most elk killed are not big save a few units that take a couple decades worth of points to draw...its mostly managed for opportunity so bulls will likely be young. But, there are some old bulls lurking in a every unit. A really good option if you have 2-3 points in getting a muzzleloader tag. Right in the rut. No scopes, but they shoot further than a bow and you can actually shoot through brush.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:31pm
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I was only interested in a guided hunt and am fully conversant with the hunting rules and opportunities that exist in various States and Provinces of North America.
I'm at the hunting stage of my life where real close encounters with game are more my thing rather than killing and having another set of antlers. Pussy footing around North Americas woods unarmed I find a little scary as I've seen guys arriving back in camp after very close encounters with bears after cow calling elk, a method I love.
I've loved the close encounters I've had with wolves and coyotes.
I snuck in once on a fresh cougar kill after ravens alerted me to a kill. That makes your heart beat.   
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2017 at 5:52pm
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Gamehunter63 wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
I was only interested in a guided hunt and am fully conversant with the hunting rules and opportunities that exist in various States and Provinces of North America.
I'm at the hunting stage of my life where real close encounters with game are more my thing rather than killing and having another set of antlers. Pussy footing around North Americas woods unarmed I find a little scary as I've seen guys arriving back in camp after very close encounters with bears after cow calling elk, a method I love.
I've loved the close encounters I've had with wolves and coyotes.
I snuck in once on a fresh cougar kill after ravens alerted me to a kill. That makes your heart beat.   
 

Sounds awesome.  Would be great to see some photos if you have any Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 9:49pm
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Do you often go hunting unarmed? I'm so confused....
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 9:56am
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just this week i know of a guy who had been working in the USA on a work visa for the last 12 months. he came back to australia for a 1 month holiday with his girlfriend who he met over there. his visa is still current but when they went to board the plane to fly back to USA he was refused entry. she flew home alone.

even if you have a visa it seems you are at the discretion of whoever you meet on the day.

for all the planning and cost involved the USA doesn't appeal to me at the moment either. the rules are changing daily yet a hunting trip takes months to organise.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 6:09pm
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This is disappointing to read... I just moved (back) to Colorado after 5 years away, and I am really looking forward to my public land elk hunting next fall. With the largest elk herd in existence, it is a sad shame to read that someone may not be afforded the opportunity to hunt because of some overzealous policies.
That being said, as a citizen of a country whose borders have been essentially wide open for so long, and with a large population of people who see no problem with letting anybody and everybody in with little or no process, it is nice to see someone finally taking a stand... however it shouldn't be at the expense of legitimate visitors like tourists, students, hunters etc.
All that aside, where in Colorado were you planning to hunt?
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 11:31am
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I was in the process of evaluating outfitters with no particular area of Colorado in mind.
  

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