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Aug 6th, 2016 at 9:29pm
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Looking for a dog that can do everything, except birds. I see a lot using the heading dog n was wondering if a well breed working Kelpie would have enough bite to argue with a big boar n have enough nose for indicating deer and not be a high strung menace at home? Any guys had a lot of experience with  Kelpies or other breeds? cheers
  
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Re: all rounder
Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2016 at 10:36pm
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I like them. Some people hate them though because they can be a bit different to handle. They don't have as much bite as a blue heeler. Some I've seen don't use their nose much while a couple of the best finders I've heard of were kelpies or kelpie x's.
I have a kelpie/border collie x at the moment and he's just starting to calm down (7yo). He's a good finder on pigs but won't bite anything over about 20lb, so if the pig bolts he can't stop it. Hes caught 1 or 2 boars by standing back and not putting any pressure on the pig.
He will indicate deer but I haven't put the time into him and when I get close he often gets excited and stuffs it up.
He's a bright little bugger and learns very quickly, but can be very stubborn, so enforcement is where it's at.

As an all rounder it'd be a good choice.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 8th, 2016 at 11:59am
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I have had kelpies for years, using them exclusively as working farm dogs only and never as indicator dogs for deer. However I do believe they would do the job. As in all breeds some strains are better than others at certain jobs. I think a strong eyed dog would be best for your job but do some research as I don't really know. Then source that type of kelpie if that's the dog you want. Lots of variation within all breeds mate including kelpies. The other thing to keep in mind I guess is that a properly bred working kelpie is very much bred to work , in the truest sense of the word . Not necessarily the best house dog . Amazing dogs in my opinion . Hope this helps
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2016 at 6:16am
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I had kelpies and got a huntaway now very good dogs but if I wanted a dog to do most game I go a catahoula
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:59am
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Only issue I see with a do all dog is will you want it to bail deer or point/take you in. Don't see you being able to give it a deer/pig switch.  IMHO I dog for one job, either a pointer or a bailer

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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2016 at 10:15am
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Maybe look at some of the versatile breeds,  gwp,  especially the deutsch drahthaar,  cesky fouseks,  vislas,  weimaraners, pudelpiintwrs,  munsterlanders,  maybe even ridgeback
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2018 at 10:32pm
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i noticed yr name came up on a catahoula search iv done becouse    i have a litter of purebred  catchoula pups so  im putting word out bitch up comming and the dog was imported form usa  top dog
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 6:03pm
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7mm08Roks wrote on Aug 11th, 2016 at 6:59am:
Only issue I see with a do all dog is will you want it to bail deer or point/take you in. Don't see you being able to give it a deer/pig switch.  IMHO I dog for one job, either a pointer or a bailer

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Mate they dont have to bail to catch pigs, my GSP would point either regardless
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 7:24pm
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:What about a lab?
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2018 at 9:51pm
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Indicating deer and finding and catching pigs are two completely different disciplines and you will be in serious danger of ending up with a deer chasing dog or one that wont hunt out to find a pig. It takes a very special dog and an even more special handler to do both. How do you keep a dog in to take you to deer but teach it to go out on fresh pig scent? That is without adding the challenge of catching said pig. There are many good finders out there that are not good stoppers. If you train a soft natured dog to stay in close, you will often take the independence of hunt out of them, which is needed to find and catch pigs by themselves. I had a very good older smithfield  who was a top pig dog and would not chase deer. In his twilight years I shot a few deer in the bush over him when he would get in behind when a deer was close and I would stalk in the direction he was looking. I did this on trips with just him and none of my other pig dogs and ONLY because he was nearly retired and it did not matter. If you must have a pedigree for this and want to try it then the best breed would probably be a good lab dog. They can be very versatile and are good finders while often not being too rash when worked in close. I would make a call on which is the most important to you and stick with that or get and train two dogs.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2018 at 4:51am
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I have a lab/ridgeback, I taught him to stay by me in the bush. One day we saw a big mob of pigs and I couldn't get him to chase them.
I couldn't believe it, I was giving him that freedom but he would disappear out of sight and then be right back. I personally think he could be a good all round dog but I would never try to pig and deer dog. Have thought about it when out bush, and thought maybe if you had two different guns right from training and only went after that target while you had that gun.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 8:46am
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its not a switch it's a gearbox... most versatile hunting breeds from working stock have it.
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 5:39pm
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mates got a gsp x gwp.  that he ended up using as a pig dog for while then retrained or half retrained her she will point maby from hundred meters anything under that I've seen her chase everything fallow red pigs piglets . she will break at the shot and run an grab animal . this( although caused a hole host of other unsteadyness issues) has been handy as at times we've shot a pig she's run over and ended up bailing another pig . or f someone wounds it's handy.but then take her back on doc land after deer range isn't there ..  and if ur close enough in bush and c the deer shell chase it so honestly think your Beter off with one or other . they are just opposite ends of the scale .
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 5:59pm
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So she has plenty of natural ability...just missing the breaks and steering wheel perhaps.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2018 at 7:27pm
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Kawhia wrote on Jan 23rd, 2018 at 8:46am:
its not a switch it's a gearbox... most versatile hunting breeds from working stock have it.

I completely understand this post Smiley Smiley Wink, but I have a friend who will need you to explain it a bit more.
  
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