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Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:09pm
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Hey all, just picked up a Brno Fox 222 - yeah I know, it's not a vixen!
Anywho, I'm interested to hear what you guys are using/suggest as an all round projectile. Small fluffy things out to 200ish and the odd goat and fallow in closer.
Brother loaded for a fox 222 30yrs back, luckily he kept the dies and 80 Norma brass
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:28pm
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I'm using 24gn's of Win748 behind 60gn Hornady's for everything - deer, pigs, chamois and rabbits etc. Have also shot the odd tahr with that load.
The Sierra 65gn Game Kings would be worth a look if you are after a hunting round.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:02pm
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Win 748 is a good powder in the 222, so is ADI BM2. Both are a near full case. I used to use 55gr Hornady as an all rounder, the one with the cannelure as it held together a bit better. You may achieve better accuracy with the 50gr in the Fox, keeping the speed up in the 1:14 twist works best.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2016 at 9:55pm
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Husky 1600 wrote on Feb 6th, 2016 at 8:28pm:
I'm using 24gn's of Win748 behind 60gn Hornady's for everything - deer, pigs, chamois and rabbits etc. Have also shot the odd tahr with that load.
The Sierra 65gn Game Kings would be worth a look if you are after a hunting round.

You stole our intellectual property.  Grin Use this in my mates Vixen and it is deadly.65gr Sierra maybe a bit heavy we would have thought. It is lethal in the 223 with BM2. 748 is the powder for the triple deuce.Ran some 53gr Barnes up for him but he was never happy.He harvests fallow,reds and chamois with his Vixen.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 4:43am
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For my Sako and BSA I use this load 55gn Speer soft point, 21.6 gn 2207. I shoot everything with this load.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 8:06am
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The .223 is not the same cartridge. The 60 and 65 grain bullets won't stablise in a .222.

I use 55 grain Hornady (with cannelure) so far as well in my .222 Vixen.
19.5 grains of 2207 and seated to touch the lands will give my thumbnail sized five shot groups and velocity of 3065 fps out of the 23 inch barrel.
With 25 grains of AR2208 (compressed in Norma brass) I get the same groups and around 3020 fps

I also have excellent accuracy with the 52 grain Sierra HPBT and 23.5 grains of IMR4895 for 3060 fps. Half inch groups as well.
I would shoot deer with either bullet.

I havn't yet got a load that shoots as well yet with 50 grain bullets, all go around an inch. but I havnt tried very hard.

All in Norma brass and CCI400 primers.

Different brass makes a measurable difference, and OAL makes a significant difference, at least in this rifle.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 8:11am
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 12:04pm
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In my BRNO Fox. 222 Im using PMC brass, Fed primers, 21.2gn AR2207 AND hornady 50gn SP (#2245), and projs seated just off touching for average 3230fps.
This load gave best grouping and it groups just under SMOA all day with this load (and its still over a grain under where first pressure signs showed).
I've used it successfully on everything from magpies to reds and pigs - used very selectively for the latter two I hasten to add. I havent tried heavier than 55 gn proj in the 1:14 twist barrel - heavier than 55gn might struggle to stabilise IMO (as CH notes also.
Lovely light rifle to carry on the hill.
Creeper I also have a Vixen .222 using almost same load but with RP brass for 3100fps average but while it shoots like a demon, the barrel fouls quickly (after about 30 rds) so I prefer the Fox if a few rounds are going to be used in the day.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 7:33pm
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I speer 50 and 52grn hp flat base in my .223 and love the performance....I got onto these as its what my Brother used to use in his Fox back when he had one and it shot VERY VERY well with the 50 grn and took care of bunnies,goats and even the odd pig with authority.
  
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Carlsen Highway wrote on Feb 7th, 2016 at 8:06am:
The .223 is not the same cartridge. The 60 and 65 grain bullets won't stablise in a .222.

I use 55 grain Hornady (with cannelure) so far as well in my .222 Vixen.
19.5 grains of 2207 and seated to touch the lands will give my thumbnail sized five shot groups and velocity of 3065 fps out of the 23 inch barrel.
With 25 grains of AR2208 (compressed in Norma brass) I get the same groups and around 3020 fps

I also have excellent accuracy with the 52 grain Sierra HPBT and 23.5 grains of IMR4895 for 3060 fps. Half inch groups as well.
I would shoot deer with either bullet.

I havn't yet got a load that shoots as well yet with 50 grain bullets, all go around an inch. but I havnt tried very hard.

All in Norma brass and CCI400 primers.

Different brass makes a measurable difference, and OAL makes a significant difference, at least in this rifle.

My mate shoots the 60gr Hornady very well in his Vixen.No issues there.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 4:08am
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+1 for the Hornady 55 grn SP with cannelure.

Havent found a bad powder yet, out of the common ones for this caliber.

Currently settled on AR2208, 23.5 grains seated 5 thou back  ( using this powder in 270 as well )

Velocity is down around 2810 fps but groups ok.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 8:26am
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60gn Hornady's certainly do stabilise out of my 222, have no idea what the twist rate is, but it keeps on putting them inside 1 1/4 moa every time I do my bit, has done for years, shot a tahr in excess of 250 with it.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 12:43am
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Then I will try them out myself.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 1:38am
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my vixen doesn't particularly like 55's doing its best work with 50's and 52,53 match bullets  . . wouldn't even try 60's 
but i have come across others who say their's do just fine with 60's, which just go to show all guns are individuals
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 4:57am
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My mates vixen is one from the 70's and it has never been rebarrelled.Few rounds thru it as well. Just shows you.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 5:34am
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I have a Brno fox in .222. I have owned it since new some 30 years. I only load 55gn pills as they seem to suit it best. Tried 60gn and 62gn. all over the place. Our local gunsmith is a Brno expert and says 55gn are the one to use. I load a 55gn Hornady soft point with 20gns of 2207. This gives me 3200fps
Sub 1/2" at 100 and 2" groups off a bench rest at 300. (on a calm day ) LOL.
Last year I shot a lame sambar on a mates far at 120meters. Head shot and it dropped stone dead.
My advice: load i bullet, stick to it and learn to shoot it .
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Reply #16 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 8:32am
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The trebly is an inherently accurate cartridge but when you hit the sweet spot for YOUR rifle they can be a tack driver. Wink
  
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[quote author=63667377140 link=1454789379/15#15 date=1454996042]I have a Brno fox in .222. I have owned it since new some 30 years. I only load 55gn pills as they seem to suit it best. Tried 60gn and 62gn. all over the place. Our local gunsmith is a Brno expert and says 55gn are the one to use. I load a 55gn Hornady soft point with 20gns of 2207. This gives me 3200fps
Sub 1/2" at 100 and 2" groups off a bench rest at 300. (on a calm day ) LOL.
Last year I shot a lame sambar on a mates far at 120meters. Head shot and it dropped stone dead.
My advice: load i bullet, stick to it and learn to shoot it .
Good luck. Nice gun, [/quote

Thanks Miroku, which 55gr pills are you using?
Also who is your local Brno expert
  
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johnd wrote on Feb 8th, 2016 at 4:08am:
+1 for the Hornady 55 grn SP with cannelure.

Havent found a bad powder yet, out of the common ones for this caliber.

Currently settled on AR2208, 23.5 grains seated 5 thou back  ( using this powder in 270 as well )

Velocity is down around 2810 fps but groups ok.


Hey Johnd, is the hornady 55 SP you mention # 2266?
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Yes, that's the one.
  
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Im using Hornady 55gn soft point. # 2266
Alan Carr is our local guy. He loves Brnos, builds custom rifles based on Brno actions. He is the go to guy for all things Brno
  
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The Creeper wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 9:26am:
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Hey Johnd, is the hornady 55 SP you mention # 2266?
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Not sure as I bought a bag of 200 from Whilhelm in Ch Ch. There isnt a label on it, but I'm sure they dont make too many derivatives that are .224, 55 grns soft point and cannelured ( or maybe they do ) Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin
  
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Just checking johnd......you must be happy with the 270 now!
  
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Anyone loaded 70 grain Speers in the .222?

They are supposed to stablise in 1:14 twist barrels
  
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I tried them years ago in a Sako 222 but they were not as accurate as I would have liked. If you are bush shooting, then I would say they would be acceptable for that. Long bearing surface, semi pointed helps them stabilize.
  
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It's simply their "stubbiness" ( short for calibre/weight) that makes them stabilise. Long bearing surface/ semi-pointed are necessary features if they are "heavy" and being shot through a slowish twist.

A semi-pointed 90gr, despite having those attributes, wouldn't stabilise.
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:31am
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I understand that. Just seeing if anyone has tried them and what powder they used. Cant find any published loads for it.
I think Varget or IMR4895 would be the answer for such a heavy bullet in a .222
  
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Reply #28 - Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:51am
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Why would anyone take the throttle off on a 222. Its like having a V8 and taking 2 spark plugs out.

My manual only goes to 63 grn
  
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I am mimicking a .22 Hipower with a .222. Because I am too cheap to actually buy one, and too lazy to go and find one.
  
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We'll that didn't work. Actually found a load this Vixen doesn't like!
Loaded those 70 grain Speers over a full case of 2208 and it spat those bullets all over the piece of paper.

Throttle is back on again.
  
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63 sierra semi pointed with 23 or 24 grains BM2 behind it. I think with a 1-14 twist barrel it will need speed to stabilize so not sure how a slow load will go.
  
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Finally got the Fox 222 sorted....not sure how I managed this group at 100m... but I'll take it!
  
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Ahh now Paddy, thats a real clover leaf!
  
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Finally got the Fox 222 sorted....not sure how I managed this group at 100m... but I'll take it!

  
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Carlsen Highway wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 8:05am:
We'll that didn't work. Actually found a load this Vixen doesn't like!
Loaded those 70 grain Speers over a full case of 2208 and it spat those bullets all over the piece of paper.

Throttle is back on again. 


I've got an old Speer manual with the .222 loads for the 70grn. Would you like a copy of the page?

One powder listed is W760 which I thought was strange.
  

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Reply #37 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 10:16am
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G'Day Fella's,

Carlsen Highway, I assume that is more to do with the barrel twist of your Sako.
Iirc, it probably is a 1in 14" twist and you are going to require a faster barrel twist than that, to stabilise the 70 grainers.

The Creeper, my standard .222 load for small fluffy things (Rabbits, Crows etc), is as follows;
Sierra 40grn HP (part # 1385)
Lapua Cases
21.5 grns of ADI AR-2207
CCI BR4 primers

This load has a chronographed velocity of 3700fps out of my old Tikka LSA 55's 600mm barrel.

Hope that helps

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Reply #38 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 5:18pm
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BC, yes I would be interested in that page of your book on the 70 grainers. I am told they are supposed to stabilise in a 1:14.

I have discovered that Barnes 53 TSX will shoot into no better than a 2 inch group at 3020 fps but will kill stags as dead as a .30/06 will, but now I have found the Barnes 50 grain TSX.

I loaded the 50 g TSX with 21.0 grain of 2207 / H4198, set deep in the case, and shot five rounds into an inch, and with velocity of 3210 fps so I reckon this might be the deal.
Except for the bullets being so goddamn expensive. It's almost like buying real-sized ammo.
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:18pm
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shot with the sako vixen trusty 222 (rebarreled) and 70 grn speer, not a great test for the 70grners but they did the trick!!!.

Had the ammo loaded up for me, here's the ingredients 70 grn Speer, 21.6 grns 2206h, OL 53.4mm, cci small rifle primer, was accurate, went BANG and big things fell over  Smiley


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Reply #40 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 9:04pm
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Woah, that's a nice stag.
Great work.
Whats 2206H in American terms? Is that H322?
Is your new barrel a 1:14 twist ?
  
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2206H is the same as H4895
  
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Reply #42 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 7:21pm
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OK. I am picking H4895 would have much the same results as IMR4895 and Varget which I have used in the .222
  
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Reply #43 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 11:59pm
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http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders/equivalents.asp
It should be as much as any cross reference is reliable.
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Interesting topic, as I am also hand loading for my 1:14 Twist .222 and looking for a 50gr bullet suitable for hunting.
Lets drop out the all the 50gr Varmint bullets and Barnes and all the 55gr bullets so that narrows things down to only a handful.
I so far have only tried the 50gr Priv Partizon SP ( before using I had to weigh bullets and group them into bunches of same weight) ended getting ok groups at 100yrds and they mushroom well tested on wet phone books.
That leaves the 50gr Rem PSP and keen to try also the 50gr Hornady SP (Spire Point) #2245.
Also trying to find some 50gr Norma Soft Point (Product Number) #20157112, Norma site says they are still listed but in NZ the trail goes cold.
Keen to hear of any other 50gr hunting bullets to try.
  

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Reply #45 - Dec 4th, 2016 at 9:25pm
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catslayer..suitable for hunting.... doesnt give a fella much to go on bud Wink
suitable for fallow hinds and goats is a good place to start.
or rabbits hares and occasional goat
or all the above and occasional red or pig

the 50grn hornady spsx running at around the 3k mark was awesome wallaby medicine (the sth island up to 40kg models not the overgrown rats from up north)
very messy bloody pulp/jellyfied wounds.

your 50grn barnes TTSX sample packs of 15 projectiles and that will take care of the occasional big stuff, anything else can be taken care of with most of your cup n core types.  speer 50grn hp flat base work really well in my .223 again around the 3k mark so should do just as well in the trebly...bonus is they dont cost the earth.
anything that comes in a speer box has worked for me. Wink
  
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Catslayer i have some 50 grn Norma soft points, they are still in loaded round form, just over 50 of them. Send me a pm if interested.
  
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I use bm2 and hornady Vmax doing 3000+ at 30 meters there isno exit wound in a wallabys chest Bang flop
  
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Johnd wrote on Dec 5th, 2016 at 9:51am:
Catslayer i have some 50 grn Norma soft points, they are still in loaded round form, just over 50 of them. Send me a pm if interested.

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hello. first time here. I have just acquired a sako in A1 action. used ar2207 19.5grn with flat base hollow point 50grn fowler projectiles.got half inch at one hundred yards. to compare I was going to try imr4198 which is talked about a lot in usa. can any one help me with a load please? Roll Eyes
  
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I load 60gr Hornady for a Vixen using 748. My mate rates it i.e. thumbnail. They use it to head shoot plovers when they are bored.Just about to load 50 rounds for an Anschutz which prefers 55gr. Will use 748.
  
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My go to Whitetail load for my BRNO Fox is Speer 70 gr Semi Pointed in front of 23 grains of old IMR 4895 for about 2800 FPS which is all I can get in the cases even with a drop tube, AR 2206H (Hodgdon 4895 would be very similar).
I wish I had this load back in the day when I shot reds with the Fox, I am sure it would have been excellent as it is very good on chest shots on big Whitetail bucks, usually leaving about a mushroomed bullet of about 50grains retained weight under the skin on the far side of the buck
Accuracy improves as the load/velocity increases and is satisfactory just as I run out of case volume I guess due to the 1 in 14 twist needing all the velocity it can get.
I think this will work very well in my new Baikal .222 which has a 1 in 12 twist I am told.
Get a sample pack from Gunworks and give them a try.
  
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310cadet wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 9:31pm:
My go to Whitetail load for my BRNO Fox is Speer 70 gr Semi Pointed in front of 23 grains of old IMR 4895 for about 2800 FPS which is all I can get in the cases even with a drop tube, AR 2206H (Hodgdon 4895 would be very similar).
I wish I had this load back in the day when I shot reds with the Fox, I am sure it would have been excellent as it is very good on chest shots on big Whitetail bucks, usually leaving about a mushroomed bullet of about 50grains retained weight under the skin on the far side of the buck
Accuracy improves as the load/velocity increases and is satisfactory just as I run out of case volume I guess due to the 1 in 14 twist needing all the velocity it can get.
I think this will work very well in my new Baikal .222 which has a 1 in 12 twist I am told.
Get a sample pack from Gunworks and give them a try.


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Reply #53 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 1:03am
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Out of my Sako .222 AI it wouldn't group with 55 gr Sierras or Hornadies which I had on hand for the .223 so I dropped it down to 50 gr Hornadies.

The AI shoots nice little groups.

Just before Christmas I shot one Sika with some Targex projectiles I had on hand... did a nice job and would recommend those projectiles.

Ran the same projectiles in my L461 .222 and again... same results... nice little group.

I've had a good run with 55 gr Hornadies in the .223 on animals so I figured I'd try the 50's in the .222 and so far I'm not disappointed.
  

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