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Jan 22nd, 2016 at 2:50am
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f**king disgusting prick! He's not a hunters asshole that guy.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 2:59am
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To hard to watch the whole thing....does the guy think he's a hero for wounding this bull. If he can't kill the animal with a shot he shouldn't of pulled the trigger....wanker.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:00am
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I'm sorry, sorry that young bull didn't have a bit more energy left to hook that swine right in his guts.
Good God, how can you be "proud" of such total scumbag behaviour. Where's Hans Kreik when you need him?, hope they can charge him and make an example of the retard.
  

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That is horrendous.... I have met a few people like that over the years, closet psychopaths. No empathy whatsoever for living creatures.
  
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you need killing yourself arse whole.the chill;
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:07am
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Absolutely disgusting, left speechless after watching that...
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:11am
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Unbelievable how someone can do this, then put it on you tube and in the commentary thinks he is some sort of tough guy hero! Absolute clown!  Does nothing for the hunting community.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:14am
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Sure wounding an animal is part of hunting.  But to run out of bullets.. and then to video it suffering and your poor attempts to kill it.  Smacking it's nose with a knife?  What an idiot for doing such things and putting it on YouTube for the world to judge hunters in a negative manner  Angry
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:19am
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what a gutless shit head people like this f@#kwit will get hunting banned for all of us. total disgrace
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:21am
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FYI - You can 'report' the video to YouTube using the mechanism available on every page, citing Animal Cruelty as the parameter for the complaint, they make it relatively straight forward.

Might be best way to get it pulled down before any additional harm is done.
  
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What a f**k wit
  
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This guy is not playing with a full pack disgraceful
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:38am
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Could'nt watch the whole thing , felt sick , i guess that his name attached to the clip , may be we should start phoning him   >: ther must be some where we can report him .
  
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I have already reported this disgraceful conduct, and hopefully Youtube will pull it down shortly. I would suggest it should be removed from here as well, as non-hunters are known to check this forum out from time to time.
  
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Unbelievable!  There is enough here to put this guy in jail if he can be properly identified.  That is the appropriate place for someone with this lack of moral compass, compassion and respect for another living thing.  Absolutely and utterly not what hunting is about and what kind of individual would share this with others?
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:47am
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No wonder there are people out there who think we as hunters are like this...this video actually made me sick in the stomach ...would love just 5 minutes with the cameraman and his partner...discusting  Angry Angry
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:47am
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thats just f**kn sick  I hope karma kicks his arse big time.
obviously proud of his achievement (if you can call it that) surely some animal cruelty charges can come from that.
  
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Would be great to find out who he is and where he comes from and get him charged and his F/A Licence revoked.
  
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Just reported it myself, I didn't get past 2:50.  Utterly disgusted and infuriated  Angry Angry Angry Angry
  
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Removed the original post, probably not the sort of thing we want anti hunters to get hold of. Hopefully something gets done about this guy.
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:54am
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Didn't get a chance to watch it, and not sure I want to based on peoples reactions.
I assume the OP removed the post as it's gone now.

Can it be referred to the SPCA or something?
  
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Jesus I hope someone removes that from you tube, thats a farken disgrace I couldn't watch past the first minute.  They need to be hung and quartered.
  
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as a member of the wapiti foundation this is so sad to watch. i know 99.9% of hunter would be pissed with this. the sooner this is taken down the better. footage like this can not do any hunters any good.this guy does not deserve any air time with this. can someone please take it off.
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:58am
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Check Huntahr's post above, that has all the details on who it is.

You need to watch the whole thing through to see just how bad it is. Unbe-bloody-lievable that - one, someone could do this in the first place, and two, they would be stupid enough to film themselves doing it, and three, they would be stupid enough to put it up on Youtube for all to see!
  
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HiTop wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 3:51am:
Just reported it myself, I didn't get past 2:50.  Utterly disgusted and infuriated  Angry Angry Angry Angry


its bad enough what he done to the poor animal but the prolonged suffering is worse. that vid is 14min plus some more on part 2  Angry Angry Angry Angry
  
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So I know you guys are saying it's rank and hard to watch. But I am very interested to see what you are all talking about. Any way to find the video?
  

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Havent watched the vid and dont want to.
What happened?
  
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I found it. Interest got the better of me. What. A. Complete. f**kwit. Really wish the bull got some revenge on him when he grabbed it. Poor thing. That is not hunting.
  

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Just tried to call him on his office number to politly ask him to remove vid..... no answer
  
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Is this in regards to the Campbell McManaway 2007 wapiti hunt video where he drowns the deer after filling it with lead?
  
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300wsm for life wrote on Jan 22nd, 2016 at 4:21am:
Is this in regards to the Campbell McManaway 2007 wapiti hunt video where he drowns the deer after filling it with lead?


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Been taken off youtube by owner.Least that's what it says.
  

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Think the vids been removed can't find it. Good on whoever reported it
  
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How bloody disgusting to actually record something like that and what a total fukwit making it available for public viewing!!!

  
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that video was on here a couple of years ago, I know a few guys who contacted him and let them know there thoughts of him, sounded like a complete f&*kwit after reading some of the messages and his reply's
  

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yea it was bloody disgusting, should be banned from fiordland and hunting altogether and thats only the start of what he deserves  Angry
  
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What concerns me is the guy only now removes it from You Tube?
Have not watched it but it is not a good look for NZ Hunters.
Wonder how a animal like that is raised.
  

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wow.This has to be a new record!
3 pages of outrage over a thing nobody can see.

Not saying "it" is a thing we shouldnt be outraged against.
Just that I would like to see "it" before I post my own outrage....
  

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What calibre was he using?


.22 by the sound of it!!!!
  
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If the video is from 2007 how come its 2016 before anything has been done about it, a comment suggest it has been on here before. I haven't seen the video but get the picture of what has happened.  Angry
  
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was lot of comment, don't know if the author pulled it down then, or what
  
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The reason I and others asked Youtube to take the video down is in the wrong hands it could be hugely damaging to hunters. The likes of SAFE, PETA etc would make a lot of mileage out of something like this. It portrays hunter's as absolute uncaring Neanderthals. As usual with anything in life, its this tiny minority of retards that the rest of us will get judged on.
Unfortunately those who didn't see it before it was removed will now have to believe the rest of us that did, but here's a brief run down on what went on.

The guy shoots at what looks like a beautiful 3 year old 12 point Wapiti bull - exactly the sort of animal that must not be shot if the Wap herd is to have any future - we do not see the shooting, it starts with him talking about the shots and running out of ammo and the bull being wounded sitting down below him. He says he hit it in the back steaks, then in the guts, then in the lower jaw. Then it jumps to the bull standing in a little creek up to his belly, looking really crook and terrified, watching 'our hunter' standing maybe 5 metres away on the bank filming it all. This goes on for absolutely ages, with the hunter talking to and taunting the bull, evaluating the head, counting its points and dribbling on to the camera about his 'trophy', all while the poor animal is standing there in agony. Then he puts the camera down on the bank still running with it framed on the bull in the creek, then he slowly advances towards the bull, who lurches around and ends up jammed between the bank behind him and a big one metre high and three metre long rock in front of him. The hunter then climbs up on the rock in front of the animal (instead of coming over the bank from behind it), taunts and swears at it some more, then gets his knife out and leans down and starts repeatedly slashing the bull across the nose - this bit is particularly sickening and achieves absolutely nothing. Then he gets his roaring horn out and starts swinging it and bashing the bull around the face with it - again pointless cruelty. Eventually he reaches forwards and grabs the bulls antlers and manages to hold the poor animals head underwater long enough to drown it. He lets it go too soon, the bull tries to get its head above water again, and he swears at it and holds it under some more, then climbs up on the rock and starts yelling and yahooing up into the air and practically beating his chest like a rabid lunatic, then proceeds to tell the camera this is real hunting, this is what hunting is all about or words to that effect. The whole performance has gone on for an incredible length of time, maybe half an our or so from memory, and leaves you sick to the stomach watching it.

As I said earlier, there are a bunch of unforgivable things done here.

1. The stupidity of wounding the poor animal so badly in the first place for which there is no excuse. He was not a young beginner hunter. It was not long range from the way he describes it, but even if it was, he obviously wasn't capable of taking either the close or long shots he made. He ran out of ammo, was only carrying 3 rounds? He doesn't say how many shots he fired so maybe he was carrying more, maybe there are some misses he doesn't talk about, but his finishing shot in the lower jaw is just plain stupid if that was his last shot, after his shooting debacle up until that point. He should have put that in the boiler room to be sure.

2. The unnecessary bad taste taunting, and slashing and beating the bull about the face with knife and roaring horn, and then the yahooing and playing up to the camera afterwards was truly disgusting and sick.

3. The prolonged way he went about putting the poor animal out of its misery. If he couldn't go back to camp to get a mate or more ammo, drowning may well have been the best way, but not how he went about it.

4. Filming the whole debacle, why on earth would you?

5. Putting it proudly up on Youtube - not once but twice as it seems now, knowing the damage this could do to all hunters.

This sort of appalling display does make those of us who spend so much time fighting for the future of hunting and our big game animals wonder why we bother...

  
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Reply #51 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 8:46pm
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That sounds fkn terrible and he should be held accountable for his actions. Huge outrage recently over cruelty to calves and rightly so, this sounds to be no different at all, a boy cut from the same cloth. I wonder what action could be taken against him?
  
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Thanks for the summary Greg. Maybe this needs to raised with the Police, sounds like he would potentially get jail time for animal cruelty and deserves jail time.

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/legislation/bills/digests/49PLLawBD17431/anima...
  
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Reply #54 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:13pm
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Bow Stalker wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:06pm:
Thanks for the summary Greg. Maybe this needs to raised with the Police, sounds like he would potentially get jail time for animal cruelty and deserves jail time.

http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/legislation/bills/digests/49PLLawBD17431/anima...

My thoughts exactly.
  
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shit I'm glad I never got to watch it, That guy sounds like a right f*ckn retard.
  
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Reply #57 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 9:34pm
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I will take your guys word for it, it was even hard enough to read about. One shot kills that is what we should all be aiming for.

  
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Sick.

A suggestion, maybe an administrator of this site who viewed the clip before it disappeared needs to visit a Police Station, write up a statement of what you saw,  and take along some evidence,  i.e. what the clip was called, and who uploaded it and the offenders details, which are easy to obtain.  It will be easy for the techs to bring it back, view it and decide what charges are appropriate.  I am sure this behavior constitutes someone who is not a fit and proper person to be in control of a firearm for a start, let alone the animal cruelty aspect.

If no one does anything, nothing will be done, and this moron will do it again...
  
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jihad wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 12:30am:
Sick.

A suggestion, maybe an administrator of this site who viewed the clip before it disappeared needs to visit a Police Station, write up a statement of what you saw,  and take along some evidence,  i.e. what the clip was called, and who uploaded it and the offenders details, which are easy to obtain.  It will be easy for the techs to bring it back, view it and decide what charges are appropriate.  I am sure this behavior constitutes someone who is not a fit and proper person to be in control of a firearm for a start, let alone the animal cruelty aspect.

If no one does anything, nothing will be done, and this moron will do it again...


my brother seen it and was highly disgusted in it. he downloaded it to usb just before it got removed. he probly to lazy to do anything about it but if someone on here wants to do something about it im sure he will be more then happy to get them a copy.
  
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Definitely needs to be taken to task for what he did sounds like a complete f.ckwit
  
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Reply #61 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:16am
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Animal Welfare Act 1999

30A Wilful or reckless ill-treatment of wild animals or animals in wild state.

Here's the link:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0142/latest/link.aspx?id=DLM64753...

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Reply #62 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 2:19am
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I have read the Animal Welfare Act with regards to this Video and this is the law I see affecting this case .
The Animal welfare act 1999 defines :  ( I have trimmed this to where the act affects this behaviour

animal—
(a)
means any live member of the animal kingdom that is—
(i)
a mammal; or


ill-treat, in relation to an animal, means causing the animal to suffer, by any act or omission, pain or distress that in its kind or degree, or in its object, or in the circumstances in which it is inflicted, is unreasonable or unnecessary


hunt or kill, in relation to animals, includes—
(a)
hunting, fishing, or searching for any animal and killing, taking, catching, trapping, capturing, tranquilising, or immobilising any animal by any means:
(b)
pursuing or disturbing any animal;—
and hunting or killing has a corresponding meaning



Animal Welfare Amendment Act (No 2) 2015 (2015 No 49).
30A Wilful or reckless ill-treatment of wild animals or animals in wild state
(1)
A person commits an offence if the person wilfully ill-treats a wild animal or an animal in a wild state.
(2)
A person commits an offence if the person recklessly ill-treats a wild animal or an animal in a wild state.
(3)
A defendant has a defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) or (2) if the defendant satisfies the court that the conduct alleged to constitute an offence is or is part of a generally accepted practice in New Zealand for the hunting or killing of wild animals of that type or animals in a wild state of that type.
(4)
In determining whether wilful or reckless ill-treatment of an animal has occurred, a court may treat an act or omission as lawful (and not subject to subsection (1) or (2)) if satisfied that—
(a)
the act or omission was done in the course of performing functions for the purposes of another Act; and
(b)
not to treat the act or omission as lawful would be contrary to the purpose and principles of that Act.
(5)
Nothing in subsection (1) or (2) applies to—
(a)
a wild animal in captivity (other than in captivity in a safari park); or
(b)
the accidental or inadvertent killing or harming of an animal; or
(c)
any act or omission necessary to protect a person’s life or safety.
(6)
Nothing in subsection (1) or (2) affects section 179 or 181.
(7)
A person who commits an offence against subsection (1) is liable on conviction,—
(a)
in the case of an individual, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine not exceeding $100,000, or to both:
(b)
in the case of a body corporate, to a fine not exceeding $500,000.
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A person who commits an offence against subsection (2) is liable on conviction,—
(a)
in the case of an individual, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $75,000, or to both:
(b)
in the case of a body corporate, to a fine not exceeding $350,000.
Section 30A: inserted, on 10 May 2015, by section 20 of the Animal Welfare Amendment Act (No 2) 2015 (2015 No 49)
.[/i][/b]

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Reply #63 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 4:36am
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The version of the act that Flintlock has posted is not the version that was in place in 2007.
If someone has a copy of the video, please forward it to the Ministry of Primary Industries, who are very hot on this stuff.
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Wheres the link to the vid?How come I can't see it Sad
  
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Im pretty sure its been taken down.
  
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any one know where to find the link?
  

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Reply #67 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:17pm
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Reading through the animal welfare act, how is 1080 poison legal?
Evan just a possum or rat still feel pain!
I've seen a few animals die of that including my dog, someone should be fined of jailed.
Talk about unnecessary and unreasonable😠
  
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Reply #68 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 7:35pm
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Although this seems like a particularly bad example I am constantly amazed at what I see posted on You Tube.  IMO hunting struggles to come across well on video anyway as it is impossible to capture the emotions and intangibles involved.  However I can't see the sense in posting animals taking multiple shots, hard hit animals still struggling or holding their heads up or whatever. It doesn't matter that they are going to die quickly and probably in a state of shock it is still a negative image to a non hunter who can't hope to understand the context or how even a well hit animal may pass through a brief stage where it is neither fully alive or properly dead. 

A mate of mine videoed me shooting a big stag last roar.  Although it was a good chest shot the deer did run a hundred meters or so and as he was a goodie I shot him a couple more times until he was down. To me it was as good a job as could be done but on video it looked a bit messy and could have looked like a wounded stag being shot to bits to the unaware.  We didn't put It online and even for private use just showed the first shot and then the dead animal-its not that difficult to show a bit of sense and when thing do go wrong occasionally surely our egos aren't that huge that we can afford to make one kill without splashing it all over the place online.  No one else really cares anyway.

At least when SAFE got video of a few dumb f*ck dairy farmers/abbitior workers doing stupid shit they had to film it secretly.  The stupidest amongst us seem quite happy to post it online.
  

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Reply #69 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 7:45pm
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snoopy wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
Reading through the animal welfare act, how is 1080 poison legal?
Evan just a possum or rat still feel pain!
I've seen a few animals die of that including my dog, someone should be fined of jailed.
Talk about unnecessary and unreasonable��

Thats what i thought as well.
  
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Reply #70 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 7:52pm
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Yep your correct there but DOC TB Free NZ and Regional Council are laws unto themselves.
  
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Greg Duley, NZ Hunter wrote on Jan 23rd, 2016 at 8:25pm:
The reason I and others asked Youtube to take the video down is in the wrong hands it could be hugely damaging to hunters. The likes of SAFE, PETA etc would make a lot of mileage out of something like this. It portrays hunter's as absolute uncaring Neanderthals. As usual with anything in life, its this tiny minority of retards that the rest of us will get judged on.
Unfortunately those who didn't see it before it was removed will now have to believe the rest of us that did, but here's a brief run down on what went on.

The guy shoots at what looks like a beautiful 3 year old 12 point Wapiti bull - exactly the sort of animal that must not be shot if the Wap herd is to have any future - we do not see the shooting, it starts with him talking about the shots and running out of ammo and the bull being wounded sitting down below him. He says he hit it in the back steaks, then in the guts, then in the lower jaw. Then it jumps to the bull standing in a little creek up to his belly, looking really crook and terrified, watching 'our hunter' standing maybe 5 metres away on the bank filming it all. This goes on for absolutely ages, with the hunter talking to and taunting the bull, evaluating the head, counting its points and dribbling on to the camera about his 'trophy', all while the poor animal is standing there in agony. Then he puts the camera down on the bank still running with it framed on the bull in the creek, then he slowly advances towards the bull, who lurches around and ends up jammed between the bank behind him and a big one metre high and three metre long rock in front of him. The hunter then climbs up on the rock in front of the animal (instead of coming over the bank from behind it), taunts and swears at it some more, then gets his knife out and leans down and starts repeatedly slashing the bull across the nose - this bit is particularly sickening and achieves absolutely nothing. Then he gets his roaring horn out and starts swinging it and bashing the bull around the face with it - again pointless cruelty. Eventually he reaches forwards and grabs the bulls antlers and manages to hold the poor animals head underwater long enough to drown it. He lets it go too soon, the bull tries to get its head above water again, and he swears at it and holds it under some more, then climbs up on the rock and starts yelling and yahooing up into the air and practically beating his chest like a rabid lunatic, then proceeds to tell the camera this is real hunting, this is what hunting is all about or words to that effect. The whole performance has gone on for an incredible length of time, maybe half an our or so from memory, and leaves you sick to the stomach watching it.

As I said earlier, there are a bunch of unforgivable things done here.

1. The stupidity of wounding the poor animal so badly in the first place for which there is no excuse. He was not a young beginner hunter. It was not long range from the way he describes it, but even if it was, he obviously wasn't capable of taking either the close or long shots he made. He ran out of ammo, was only carrying 3 rounds? He doesn't say how many shots he fired so maybe he was carrying more, maybe there are some misses he doesn't talk about, but his finishing shot in the lower jaw is just plain stupid if that was his last shot, after his shooting debacle up until that point. He should have put that in the boiler room to be sure.

2. The unnecessary bad taste taunting, and slashing and beating the bull about the face with knife and roaring horn, and then the yahooing and playing up to the camera afterwards was truly disgusting and sick.

3. The prolonged way he went about putting the poor animal out of its misery. If he couldn't go back to camp to get a mate or more ammo, drowning may well have been the best way, but not how he went about it.

4. Filming the whole debacle, why on earth would you?

5. Putting it proudly up on Youtube - not once but twice as it seems now, knowing the damage this could do to all hunters.

This sort of appalling display does make those of us who spend so much time fighting for the future of hunting and our big game animals wonder why we bother...



Thanks for that Greg, im glad i didnt see it as your run down of it was enough.  Cry
  
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@gonehuntin I would be happy to take a copy to the police station and lay a complaint if somebody hasnt already. Please pm me.
  
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Reading through the animal welfare act, how is 1080 poison legal?


What do you mean legal? Have you ever tried to buy it?
  
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I must live under a rock most of the time, had no idea about this, I guess generally, apart from the gang retards and their wannabe hangers on and their nasty bloody dog fight racket, I am unable to comprehend how any normal human could behave like has been described - I, for one, will not go looking for this vid, not sure I could take the content without having a meltdown and go track him down.

I do not understand why any of those that have this on usb or hard drive ect, have not at the least attempted to get justice served, I have come to generally despise the human race, those that behave as the person under discussion, and those that stand by and do nothing.

Feel free to correct me if some one has actually done something other than make noise.
  
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That's some messed up stuff. I'd gladly do something with the footage, @gonehuntin. PM me,as my post count stops me PMing you.

Sweeping this under the carpet is worse that publicising and denouncing his behaviour.
  
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I have worked for this guy in the past diving........ Iv seen the video he shows it off to new crew on occasion........ He also sent shots skipping across the water in our general direction from his mini 14 one day. Us divers were the lucky ones???!!!! the dingy boys on the other hand felt like sitting ducks crouched down in the dingys. After the barage finished and we had filled the dingys, Returned to the boat to unload n have a bite to eat he went off his nut saying "why didnt u come pick me up, did you morons not hear my shots". the first two or three weren't in our direction, we presumed he had seen some deer as we were on the south coast so didnt think anything of it n jumped in the water. 5min later the rest of the mag was sent skipping across the water at a slight angle to us. There was a small chop and a ricochet towards us was a real possibility. We just about shat ourselves.On our return he explained he was trying to get our attention so we could pik him up in the dingys to go for a cray dive and if we heard shots again we'd know what he wants. All of us were silent, I think processing what had happened and his pathetic explanation of why he shot at us. Iz half way through thinking how id like to wrap his rifle round his extremely hollow head when he said "whats your problem speedy" my nickname on the boat I said "I dont have a problem" he said "the look on your face doesn't look like u don't have a problem" I say..... lots of bad things I wont utter on here to all you good people.... there is no doubt he's an egotistical psychopath, A real arshole at its finest. It's no coincidence hes known by the name CUNTHOOKS. he probably gets off to this thread... but then again karma is a bi!$h.
  
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Reply #77 - Feb 17th, 2016 at 5:15pm
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I have worked for this guy in the past diving........ Iv seen the video he shows it off to new crew on occasion........ He also sent shots skipping across the water in our general direction from his mini 14 one day. Us divers were the lucky ones???!!!! the dingy boys on the other hand felt like sitting ducks crouched down in the dingys. After the barage finished and we had filled the dingys, Returned to the boat to unload n have a bite to eat he went off his nut saying "why didnt u come pick me up, did you morons not hear my shots". the first two or three weren't in our direction, we presumed he had seen some deer as we were on the south coast so didnt think anything of it n jumped in the water. 5min later the rest of the mag was sent skipping across the water at a slight angle to us. There was a small chop and a ricochet towards us was a real possibility. We just about shat ourselves.On our return he explained he was trying to get our attention so we could pik him up in the dingys to go for a cray dive and if we heard shots again we'd know what he wants. All of us were silent, I think processing what had happened and his pathetic explanation of why he shot at us. Iz half way through thinking how id like to wrap his rifle round his extremely hollow head when he said "whats your problem speedy" my nickname on the boat I said "I dont have a problem" he said "the look on your face doesn't look like u don't have a problem" I say..... lots of bad things I wont utter on here to all you good people.... there is no doubt he's an egotistical psychopath, A real arshole at its finest. It's no coincidence hes known by the name CUNTHOOKS. he probably gets off to this thread... but then again karma is a bi!$h.


That sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable!!!!
Why weren't the cops involved?
  
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I passed on a copy a while ago to a forum member who was going to pursue it. dont know if they followed through or gave up.
  
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HellaKeenHuntinFiend.Sthlnd wrote on Feb 17th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
I have worked for this guy in the past diving........ Iv seen the video he shows it off to new crew on occasion........ He also sent shots skipping across the water in our general direction from his mini 14 one day. Us divers were the lucky ones???!!!! the dingy boys on the other hand felt like sitting ducks crouched down in the dingys. After the barage finished and we had filled the dingys, Returned to the boat to unload n have a bite to eat he went off his nut saying "why didnt u come pick me up, did you morons not hear my shots". the first two or three weren't in our direction, we presumed he had seen some deer as we were on the south coast so didnt think anything of it n jumped in the water. 5min later the rest of the mag was sent skipping across the water at a slight angle to us. There was a small chop and a ricochet towards us was a real possibility. We just about shat ourselves.On our return he explained he was trying to get our attention so we could pik him up in the dingys to go for a cray dive and if we heard shots again we'd know what he wants. All of us were silent, I think processing what had happened and his pathetic explanation of why he shot at us. Iz half way through thinking how id like to wrap his rifle round his extremely hollow head when he said "whats your problem speedy" my nickname on the boat I said "I dont have a problem" he said "the look on your face doesn't look like u don't have a problem" I say..... lots of bad things I wont utter on here to all you good people.... there is no doubt he's an egotistical psychopath, A real arshole at its finest. It's no coincidence hes known by the name CUNTHOOKS. he probably gets off to this thread... but then again karma is a bi!$h.


What you have said there is certainly enough to have his FAL revoked.  YOU need to contact the Police and advise them of this and get hold of your witnesses to back up your story
  
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Just reading Duley's description of the video made me feel ill. Glad I didn't see that. After reading that & HellaKeens description of working for him, no doubt in my mind that he should have his licence revoked. I'd be scared to be in his company in the presence of firearms.
  
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Reply #82 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 7:47am
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This person doesn't deserve to have a FAL by any stretch.
By reading these posts concerning him he is not a fit and proper person at all.
Before some one gets hurt of worse, report this guy and get his F/Arms off him.
By doing nothing and someone gets hurt or worse ask yourself how would you feel knowing if you had done something that injured person most probably would be alive today.
  
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Reply #83 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 8:50am
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Just read Duley's description, what a f*cking sack of shit this guy must be, incomprehensible.
  
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Reply #84 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 10:58am
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Any updates on this? Something needs to be done. Hell, I'd do it but I don't live in NZ atm.

Sounds like character statements can be obtained from people who've previously worked with/for him - those alone would make the police think twice about letting him keep his firearms licence.

C'mon guys, lets get this sorted!
  
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Reply #85 - Feb 18th, 2016 at 6:23pm
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IF he is doing this sort of thing while people are working for him I'm sure OSH and Work Safe NZ would be very interested in his behaviour.
  
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Reply #86 - Mar 9th, 2018 at 8:44am
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While this is an Old topic. Did anyone end up reporting this guy at all besides youtube about the videos? I ended up getting the videos downloaded before they were removed and found them on a hard drive when cleaning it. Wondering if i should submit them if or not under the animal wellware laws since it is pretty terrible.
  
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Reply #87 - Mar 9th, 2018 at 12:30pm
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Mcmanaway ? He got a good dealing to via Facebook by some people, tried to justify himself but failed . Just an idiot ! Probably still hunting just not posting  his "adventures"
  

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Sounds like a complete oxygen theif!
  
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Reply #89 - Mar 9th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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met the guy in person when he thought he was a race car driver, even bigger tw*t in person.
  
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Where can i find this video or article?
  
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Dan sutherland wrote on Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:10am:
Where can i find this video or article?

Greg Duley wrote a post on what happened earlier in the thread.  Trust me you dont want to see the video its disturbing to say the least
  
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Reply #92 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:06am
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Same guy is a member of the speedway fraternity. Known as a fully blown tosser.
  
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What video? I do not see any link in the first post??
  
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Torana - as others keep saying on the thread - it has been removed - taken down, deleted, disposed of, thrown away.  Smiley
  
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Huntsouth wrote on Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:26am:
Torana - as others keep saying on the thread - it has been removed - taken down, deleted, disposed of, thrown away.  Smiley


Yeah, I didn't see the others posts. I read the first 2 pages then posted my question.
  
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Re: Disgraceful Wapiti Video
Reply #96 - Mar 12th, 2018 at 10:04pm
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All good, if you haven't already, Greg Duley's description back a couple of pages of the incident is very informative. I did manage to view the vid years ago before it was taken down - never seen such a preformance from a 'hunter'. But guess you had to see it to see what the fuss was all about?  Smiley
  
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