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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #15 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:27am
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It's quite a well thought out peice of legislation.......for DoC that is especially since it concerns hunters and hunting..

The important piece that has been missed is Quote:
5.Attaching a torch or other light source to a firearm is prohibited

So quite simply if you have a firearm and a torch unattached to the other it is not spotlighting.  Obviously if there is more than one person, spotlighting could take place but no law will cover all bases.

Any law is useless if unenforcible and the attaching of a torch to a firearm draws a clear line between being able to enforce the no spotlighting law or not.

It still allows hunters to acces and leave their hunting area by torchlight and even to shine a light around out of curiosity. It's surprising that DoC even took the hunters interest into consideration on that.
  

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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #16 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 10:20am
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I think DOC are giving themselves more prosecution material, having said that we need a light to get home etc. after dark - but if something "occurs" during this period then they have another tool to hammer us with. So just be careful & sensible & keep away from those hot poaching spots!!
  

you never forget a person who came to you with a torch in the dark.  COURAGE: is knowing it might hurt, & doing it anyway. STUPIDITY is the same & thats why life is hard!
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #17 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:51pm
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I can't see how putting your question to this forum will bring you a definitive legal answer, unless someone from DOC answers your question, otherwise all answers are based on logic and supposition ,emotion and speculation . I suggest you put your questions to DOC in written form , then supply us with their answers .
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:17pm
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Or just read the regs and don't overthink things and get on with it.
  

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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #19 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:23pm
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I sometimes use a spotlight to travel up East Coast riverbeds, time is limited so we travel in late on Fri night to make the most of the weekend, and often the track is hard to find so a spotlight is a simple easy way to look around without having to drive all over hell and back. And I have my rifle in the truck, and I have my ammo in the truck - but both are usually well out of the way and not loaded. And I sometimes see deer, or possums and occasionally a tahr. But I aint hunting, or poaching and have no intention of tipping over an animal in the dark, cant be arsed really, just as easy to tip it over in the daylight hours.
Lets see if they want to try and prosecute for that! the bureaucracy BS is just getting way outa hand and as per typical DoC, they cant see their arse for their elbow!
  
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #20 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:57pm
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Husky 1600 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:23pm:
I sometimes use a spotlight to travel up East Coast riverbeds, time is limited so we travel in late on Fri night to make the most of the weekend, and often the track is hard to find so a spotlight is a simple easy way to look around without having to drive all over hell and back. And I have my rifle in the truck, and I have my ammo in the truck - but both are usually well out of the way and not loaded. And I sometimes see deer, or possums and occasionally a tahr. But I aint hunting, or poaching and have no intention of tipping over an animal in the dark, cant be arsed really, just as easy to tip it over in the daylight hours.
Lets see if they want to try and prosecute for that! the bureaucracy BS is just getting way outa hand and as per typical DoC, they cant see their arse for their elbow!


Its conjecture. No one knows how this will be regulated or enforced. Its plain intent is stop people from hunting and shooting animals in spotlights and torches on the DOC estate. I support that.

To me, its a reasonable response because we are getting this reputation for shooting other people in spotlights and having near misses on people and property. We bring this shit onto ourselves.

I doubt very much you will be affected  if you are going about something that is lawful and that is not a clear or obvious breach of the terms on the permit.

As for DOC not being able to see their arse for their elbow...what do you think they say about us when they see shot up signs, clean up the our pigs mess in car parks and attend fatal shootings?


  

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Reply #21 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 2:16pm
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Its plain intent is stop people from hunting and shooting animals in spotlights and torches on the DOC estate. I support that.

exactly.
its intended to make it clear about  spotlighting. The previous permits simply mentioned no hunting after dark, or some such. About time, spotlighters on public land are a menace, and legit hunters should support preventing them, or making it easier to prosecute.

Legit hunters going about their lawful business are not likely to be conserned
  
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Reply #22 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 2:44pm
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Can't see it being a problem really. There are few situations where we don't travel in the dark during hunting trips. Unless you are up to no good you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
  
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #23 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 5:54pm
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I carry a headlamp in my kit bag at all times, (sometimes one of those small ledlenser torches). It's probably my most used thing other than my gps that I carry.

Safety wise I'd never go hunting in the backcountry without a headlamp. But I've never carried a lightforce spotlight with me on public land. There's a big difference between a saftey item like a headlamp and a 1,000,000 candle power spotlight.

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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #24 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 7:21pm
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When I first started hunting I used to walk in at night and although I ate all my carrots I did still use a light of some sort
  
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #25 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:57pm
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Tikka T3 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:17pm:
Or just read the regs and don't overthink things and get on with it.


Spot on.

If they are trying to catch you they will be watching for a while.
If you have ever been spotlighting you will know that it is bloody obvious what they are up to.
  

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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #26 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:15pm
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I'm wondering how this would effect people who use night time capable optics - like digital scopes and thermal. Both can be legitimately used for day time hunting, dawn and dusk hunting, but both are capable of being used at night. Most if not all have an in-built IR illuminator.
  
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #27 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:54pm
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I was under the understanding that spot lighting was forbidden on Doc land anyway? And so it should be. Give real hunters a fair go. But using a small torch or headlamp to find your way back to a hut or camp should be allowed. There's a huge difference (visually) between using a small torch to find your way and shining around a 1000,000 candle power spotlight all over the place. A complete ban on light becomes a safety issue which could mean the difference between life and death. Not to mention cooking a feed with your gas canister in the open. Are you breaking the rules then? Another safety issue if you don't get a hot feed. That's my opinion anyway. Wink
  
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Re: New Restrictions on DOC Permits
Reply #28 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:57pm
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Beavis wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:
I'm wondering how this would effect people who use night time capable optics - like digital scopes and thermal. Both can be legitimately used for day time hunting, dawn and dusk hunting, but both are capable of being used at night. Most if not all have an in-built IR illuminator.

Sticky question, but it does state you not allowed to USE them during the hours of darkness.
It doesn't state you not allow to have them, so if you hunting the late evening then walking out and not actually using them its pretty difficult for anyone to say you breaking the condations of your permit.
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 8:50pm
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those possums that love to dance on the hut roof and shit on the porch must be rubbing their greedy wee mits together....anybody gone to Stewart Island and NOT shot a possum or cat?????
  
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