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Waro review... is a crock of shit!
Aug 8th, 2015 at 1:54am
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Here is the departments fact sheet. It is full of bullshit....  I though I would put it up here in the DOC section so they can see what we think of them..... and their utter contempt for hunters...  I could highlight parts of it but then I'm sure everyone here can see what bullshit spin they have put on everything....

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What does the Department have to assess WARO activity against ?
In developing the national WARO permit the Department must assess the land classification against the relevant statutory framework in particular the provisions of the Wild Animal Control Act 1977, and in the context of what is happening at particular locations in regards to any damaging effects of wild animals on conservation etc values of the land; the purpose for which the land is held (legislation), conservation general policies 4.2. (e) and (f); and provisions of statutory management planning documents eg Conservation Management Strategies or Conservation Management Plans.  

The Wild Animal Control Act also requires the decision maker to have regard to the role of those engaged in recreational hunting as a form of control of wild animals, and the permit shows that this consideration has been given and reflected in the land that has been excluded, standard closures over  the Roar period, gazetted Recreational Hunting Areas have been excluded and other restrictions being applied depending on the location and the site specific management needs.

When is the Department required to publically notify concessions ?
Public notification of the intention to grant permit applications (which cannot exceed a 10 year term) is a matter at the discretion of the decision-maker. It is warranted only when the decision-maker considers it appropriate to do so, having regard to the effects of the proposed concession activity.  The effects (positive and negative) of WARO activity are well-known and the decision-maker exercised his discretion not to publicly notify the new national WARO permit offer. Public interest is not an “effect” of the proposed activity and cannot require public notification.

Why did the Department consult widely in 2009 ?
In 2009 the Department did some work outside of the standard non-notified concession process (as all previous WARO permit processes have been for the last 15 years or so).  This was done in order to separate out the various wild animal recovery activities from each other (eg food production and trophy hunting) that were previously undertaken on one permit.  Following this wider work, the national WARO permit for 2009-2014 was developed as part of a non-notified concession process.

What has happened to date ?
A new national WARO permit offer was developed by the Department following a non-notified concession process, which is standard practice for permits where the effects of the activities are known and understood. 

Some recreational hunter stakeholders expressed concerns about the availability of land for WARO activities authorised by this permit, and the lack of consultation/communication over that decision.  In particular there was concern expressed about the Ruahines (Ruahine Forest Conservation Park).

The Department has undertaken to review the new WARO permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines (location and timing only).

The Department will work with those most closely involved to see whether or not an outcome can be found that better meets the needs of all interested parties.

How did this happen ?
The previous national WARO permit expired on 30 November 2014.  As with all permits that expire, if the activity is to continue it is assessed afresh under the statutory framework that is current at the time of expiry, and with the input of updated technical advice from Departmental staff.  As permits expire, neither permit holders nor stakeholders should expect that in any new permit for the activity and the conditions will automatically be the same as in the previous permit.

The Department developed the new national WARO permit following a standard non-notified concession process.  The process for the current national WARO permits is consistent with previous reviews of national WARO permits, where non-notified concession processes were also followed.

The approved 2015 WARO permit contained changes to the classification of the Ruahine Forest Conservation Park compared with the previous 2009 permit.  In the 2009 permit land in the Ruahines was zoned either red (prohibited –  no WARO activity authorised), or orange (restricted – WARO activity could only take place between 1 May and 30 November annually).  In the 2015 permit the red zoned prohibited land remained red, however, the land that was previously zoned orange (restricted) was changed to green zone (open –  being available all year round except for the Christmas/ New Year and Roar periods).

The Department made this decision due to a steady increase in the deer population in the Ruahines, and the expected negative impact this population increase is likely to cause to the quality of the forest and grassland ecosystems.   It was considered that the removal of restricted access to allow WARO operations to continue all year round in two-thirds of the forest park would allow WARO operators to better target the higher-altitude grasslands when deer are increasing their use of this ecosystem.

The New Zealand Deerstalkers Association (and various local branches) and the Game Animal Council have expressed concerns to the Department about the impacts these changes have on recreational hunters and their role in controlling wild animals.  The main concern raised relates to the lack of engagement with recreational hunters on the changes in WARO activity land zoning prior to them being made.
How will the review be done ?
The review of the new WARO permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines, and the timing of this, is going to be led by the Lower North Island Conservation Services Team. 

The review will include meetings with affected permit holders, recreational hunting stakeholders and the Ruahine User Group . 

The Department will then decide, in accordance with legislation, if there will be any changes to the conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines (location and timing only).

What is in scope of this review/what is not ?
This is not a review of the whole national 2015 WARO permit which was approved and took effect from 1 July 2015. Rather it is only a review of the permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines.

Separate to this review of the specific conditions around WARO activity in the Ruahines, the Department will now initiate a wider conversation with WARO operators, processors, the guided hunting sector, the Game Animal Council and the recreational hunting sector to look at a more long term sustainable future for the management of wild animal recovery on public conservation land in New Zealand.  This will inform the next WARO permit review when the 2015 national WARO permit offer expires in 2018.  The Department will commence this separate process in due course.
Who will be involved in this review ?
The permit holders who have been issued a permit for the North Island, and local recreational hunting clubs and the Ruahine User Group.  The Decision Maker will be the Deputy Director-General Conservation Services.
What is the timeframe for this review ?
This process will commence in the week beginning the 3rd August 2015 and should be completed by 30 September.
Who are the contact people for this review ?
Mark Davies – Director Conservation Services – Lower North Island 
Rod Smillie – Conservation Services Manager – Manawatu
Phone number +64 6 350 9700

  

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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 8:13am
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Alan wrote on Aug 8th, 2015 at 1:54am:
Here is the departments fact sheet. It is full of bullshit....  I though I would put it up here in the DOC section so they can see what we think of them..... and their utter contempt for hunters...  I could highlight parts of it but then I'm sure everyone here can see what bullshit spin they have put on everything....

...............................................................

What does the Department have to assess WARO activity against ?
In developing the national WARO permit the Department must assess the land classification against the relevant statutory framework in particular the provisions of the Wild Animal Control Act 1977, and in the context of what is happening at particular locations in regards to any damaging effects of wild animals on conservation etc values of the land; the purpose for which the land is held (legislation), conservation general policies 4.2. (e) and (f); and provisions of statutory management planning documents eg Conservation Management Strategies or Conservation Management Plans.  

The Wild Animal Control Act also requires the decision maker to have regard to the role of those engaged in recreational hunting as a form of control of wild animals, and the permit shows that this consideration has been given and reflected in the land that has been excluded, standard closures over  the Roar period, gazetted Recreational Hunting Areas have been excluded and other restrictions being applied depending on the location and the site specific management needs.

When is the Department required to publically notify concessions ?
Public notification of the intention to grant permit applications (which cannot exceed a 10 year term) is a matter at the discretion of the decision-maker. It is warranted only when the decision-maker considers it appropriate to do so, having regard to the effects of the proposed concession activity.  The effects (positive and negative) of WARO activity are well-known and the decision-maker exercised his discretion not to publicly notify the new national WARO permit offer. Public interest is not an “effect” of the proposed activity and cannot require public notification.

Why did the Department consult widely in 2009 ?
In 2009 the Department did some work outside of the standard non-notified concession process (as all previous WARO permit processes have been for the last 15 years or so).  This was done in order to separate out the various wild animal recovery activities from each other (eg food production and trophy hunting) that were previously undertaken on one permit.  Following this wider work, the national WARO permit for 2009-2014 was developed as part of a non-notified concession process.

What has happened to date ?
A new national WARO permit offer was developed by the Department following a non-notified concession process, which is standard practice for permits where the effects of the activities are known and understood. 

Some recreational hunter stakeholders expressed concerns about the availability of land for WARO activities authorised by this permit, and the lack of consultation/communication over that decision.  In particular there was concern expressed about the Ruahines (Ruahine Forest Conservation Park).

The Department has undertaken to review the new WARO permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines (location and timing only).

The Department will work with those most closely involved to see whether or not an outcome can be found that better meets the needs of all interested parties.

How did this happen ?
The previous national WARO permit expired on 30 November 2014.  As with all permits that expire, if the activity is to continue it is assessed afresh under the statutory framework that is current at the time of expiry, and with the input of updated technical advice from Departmental staff.  As permits expire, neither permit holders nor stakeholders should expect that in any new permit for the activity and the conditions will automatically be the same as in the previous permit.

The Department developed the new national WARO permit following a standard non-notified concession process.  The process for the current national WARO permits is consistent with previous reviews of national WARO permits, where non-notified concession processes were also followed.

The approved 2015 WARO permit contained changes to the classification of the Ruahine Forest Conservation Park compared with the previous 2009 permit.  In the 2009 permit land in the Ruahines was zoned either red (prohibited –  no WARO activity authorised), or orange (restricted – WARO activity could only take place between 1 May and 30 November annually).  In the 2015 permit the red zoned prohibited land remained red, however, the land that was previously zoned orange (restricted) was changed to green zone (open –  being available all year round except for the Christmas/ New Year and Roar periods).

The Department made this decision due to a steady increase in the deer population in the Ruahines, and the expected negative impact this population increase is likely to cause to the quality of the forest and grassland ecosystems.   It was considered that the removal of restricted access to allow WARO operations to continue all year round in two-thirds of the forest park would allow WARO operators to better target the higher-altitude grasslands when deer are increasing their use of this ecosystem.

The New Zealand Deerstalkers Association (and various local branches) and the Game Animal Council have expressed concerns to the Department about the impacts these changes have on recreational hunters and their role in controlling wild animals.  The main concern raised relates to the lack of engagement with recreational hunters on the changes in WARO activity land zoning prior to them being made.
How will the review be done ?
The review of the new WARO permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines, and the timing of this, is going to be led by the Lower North Island Conservation Services Team. 

The review will include meetings with affected permit holders, recreational hunting stakeholders and the Ruahine User Group . 

The Department will then decide, in accordance with legislation, if there will be any changes to the conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines (location and timing only).

What is in scope of this review/what is not ?
This is not a review of the whole national 2015 WARO permit which was approved and took effect from 1 July 2015. Rather it is only a review of the permit conditions that relate to where and when WARO activity can occur in the Ruahines.

Separate to this review of the specific conditions around WARO activity in the Ruahines, the Department will now initiate a wider conversation with WARO operators, processors, the guided hunting sector, the Game Animal Council and the recreational hunting sector to look at a more long term sustainable future for the management of wild animal recovery on public conservation land in New Zealand.  This will inform the next WARO permit review when the 2015 national WARO permit offer expires in 2018.  The Department will commence this separate process in due course.
Who will be involved in this review ?
The permit holders who have been issued a permit for the North Island, and local recreational hunting clubs and the Ruahine User Group.  The Decision Maker will be the Deputy Director-General Conservation Services.
What is the timeframe for this review ?
This process will commence in the week beginning the 3rd August 2015 and should be completed by 30 September.
Who are the contact people for this review ?
Mark Davies – Director Conservation Services – Lower North Island 
Rod Smillie – Conservation Services Manager – Manawatu
Phone number +64 6 350 9700



Marvellous...........and a contradiction right there......
  
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Who is "Deputy Director-General Conservation Services"?  Buggered if I can find who the person is.....
  
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HiTop wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
Who is "Deputy Director-General Conservation Services"?  Buggered if I can find who the person is.....



Mike Slater has recently been appointed to that role, I understand?
  
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The Department made this decision due to a steady increase in the deer population in the Ruahines, and the expected negative impact this population increase is likely to cause to the quality of the forest and grassland ecosystems.   It was considered that the removal of restricted access to allow WARO operations to continue all year round in two-thirds of the forest park would allow WARO operators to better target the higher-altitude grasslands when deer are increasing their use of this ecosystem.

going to be interesting to see DOCs evidence of this, its what they based the decision on, but are still analysing the data!
and they used the new Biodiversity Monitoring and Reporting System - Tier 1 monitoring method

despite having made the decision  they still had to get the landcare designer to interperate the data, recently.

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Max wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 10:50pm:
HiTop wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 8:47pm:
Who is "Deputy Director-General Conservation Services"?  Buggered if I can find who the person is.....



Mike Slater has recently been appointed to that role, I understand?


He is Operations, I can't find a DDG Conservation Services......
  
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DoC has restructured again recently. The structure Lou Sanson inherited wasn't working that well.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65750301/DOC-retreats-from-controversial-12-5m-r...

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http://www.doc.govt.nz/about-us/our-structure/organisation-chart/
think Operations and Conservation Services are one and same, Hitop
saw media release on his appointment little while ago

  
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Can't keep up, partnerships and services are now operations?  Would make sense but funny how the review speaks to a position that has disappeared.  Regardless, the thought of Mike Slater making that decision does not fill me with optimism.........

Your chasing the facts TH is the right approach, keep up the good work Wink
  
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been wading thru pile of emails from OIR request. finally received it, more to come. Lips Sealed
  
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Take your time, I'll be very interested in your conclusions and the statement of facts to come from this.  Let me know if you need a pep talk to re-energise Wink Wink
  
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Who's in charge?
Lou Sanson  says one thing but the staff  do what they want!
How does that work?
  
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