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what 30 cal projectiles people use for close to 500m shots im looking for an all round projectile as I cant get my 150 accubonds to group
  
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Hornady SST, AMax.
  
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royal twelve wrote on Oct 25th, 2014 at 10:58am:
what 30 cal projectiles people use for close to 500m shots im looking for an all round projectile as I cant get my 150 accubonds to group

Accubonds would be no good at 500m from a 308 anyway. Way too hard.
  

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150g SST's work well in my 308 with 18" barrel from 10m to 400m, 2700fps.
  
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I have some 165 sst's and some 155 berger vld's will these kill big animals from 10m-500m? or should I be looking at other projectiles whats the best alround projo for ultimate nock down and accuracy?
  
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royal twelve wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:17am:
I have some 165 sst's and some 155 berger vld's will these kill big animals from 10m-500m? or should I be looking at other projectiles whats the best alround projo for ultimate nock down and accuracy?

The sst's would be a good projectile out to 300yards then maybe use the A max out to 500 yards, which is where they will perform better.
The sst is a harder projectile designed for impact at higher velocities.
The A max is a frangible projectile designed for lower velocities hence its use at longer range.

Long range projectiles have the potential for wide shallow wounding at close range due to their construction and intended purpose.
  

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why not the 165 btsp interlock?
  
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is there not a a projectile that will cover all I need pain in the ass shooting with different ammo
  
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You know it really takes a lot of kills with a pill to say definitively that it performs this way or that... the difference in the width of the expansion and wounding can vary by as much as 50% based solely on wether or not the pill hits a rib on entry or not.
If the SSt shoots well enough in your rifle at 500 yards then use them. It has been my experience that the SSt is a fairly well expanding pill even at low velocities you always get a certain amount of expansion ....

Certainly don't go thinking you need to swap ammo when taking a long shot... That's ridiculous  Wink

  
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will give them a go what weight would be optimum?
  
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If you read the above post by OutTheDoor then that should answer your question or even just use your current stock of 165s.
  
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royal twelve wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:17am:
I have some 165 sst's and some 155 berger vld's will these kill big animals from 10m-500m? or should I be looking at other projectiles whats the best alround projo for ultimate nock down and accuracy?


This was a berger ar 480m. Was out of a rem mag and 168g, so yeah they work as long as you have the impact volume at range??

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Dr Watson wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 9:21am:
You know it really takes a lot of kills with a pill to say definitively that it performs this way or that... the difference in the width of the expansion and wounding can vary by as much as 50% based solely on wether or not the pill hits a rib on entry or not.
If the SSt shoots well enough in your rifle at 500 yards then use them. It has been my experience that the SSt is a fairly well expanding pill even at low velocities you always get a certain amount of expansion ....

Certainly don't go thinking you need to swap ammo when taking a long shot... That's ridiculous  Wink



True, you don't NEED to swap ammo.
I use 2 different projectiles in my 300wm. One magazine fit for 0-300 yards-ish (accubond) and one loaded specifically for accuracy and expansion at longer distances (lower velocities).
The Accubonds are great driven at high velocities and I have never had one self destruct. They expand and penetrate really well and do a lot of damage, but at lower velocities  they tend to pencil through too much for my liking.
I have not yet come across a +300m shot that I have not had time to set up and single load the Speer SPBT. I need time to set up at that distance! These projectiles work much better at reduced velocities and I trust them for a quicker kill at distance than the ABs.
Not so ridiculous really.
I think it is impossible to find a projectile that will do everything well. Penetrate and open well at close range and still open up and cause a lot at damage at longer range.
It's always a compromise.

  

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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:43pm
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Hornady 308,165 ssts good at any range for dropping deer out to 600yds on stags n fallow.
150 ssts bit fast on fallow close in.In the last 6 or 7 yrs, hornady 165stts is all iv used,you get to know yr ammo and its ability well.Never had a deer run away yet. Wink
  

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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:02am
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Nosler Ballistic Tip or SST. 150-165 grn.

Either, and stick to it. Stop worrying. No need for a premium bullet.
You are sweating over whats just a lump of lead and copper.
  

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I for the life of me can not understand why you guys like those Nosler Ballistic tips or SSTs.
Imo they are ok for fallow or hinds but try them on big bull tahr, big stag or big pig, something with a bit of skin or body depth and we have found the retained weight of the projectile is bugger all esp if it is close range.
  
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I for the life of me can not understand why you guys like those Nosler Ballistic tips or SSTs.
Imo they are ok for fallow or hinds but try them on big bull tahr, big stag or big pig, something with a bit of skin or body depth and we have found the retained weight of the projectile is bugger all esp if it is close range.


work fine for the engine room shots Smiley
  
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Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.
  
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Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


What have you settled on?
  

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Accubonds.

I don't take long shots [as they would have bugger all expansion], hell I don't take many shots  Wink Grin
  
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Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:19am:
Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


When did you last try ballistic tips Salmoner? I had the same experience as you when I first tried them. Years ago. Maybe 1980. 6.5 and 7mm were very poor. But they seem to have greatly improved them since then. I tried them again just a few years ago and have been quite impressed.

The SST is a soft bullet, but nothing seems to stand up again.
  

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Iv found at least 3 to 4   ssts 165 gr under the skin on the op shoulder of stags still weighting about 90gr to 115gr.Being fired from about a 100yds to 250yds,going thru sholder half way down,smashing sholder blades n bones,deer drop on the spot.
  

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Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:19am:
Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


When did you last try ballistic tips Salmoner? I had the same experience as you when I first tried them. Years ago. Maybe 1980. 6.5 and 7mm were very poor. But they seem to have greatly improved them since then. I tried them again just a few years ago and have been quite impressed.

The SST is a soft bullet, but nothing seems to stand up again.


Long time ago but if you are getting bang flops Cool I cant and wont argue with you Wink Grin
  
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Iv found at least 3 to 4   ssts 165 gr under the skin on the op shoulder of stags still weighting about 90gr to 115gr.Being fired from about a 100yds to 250yds,going thru sholder half way down,smashing sholder blades n bones,deer drop on the spot.


i go with that, i keep hunts to 250yd max, but if on paper punching over 300yds i go with another cal, 7-08, 7 Rm etc.
  

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Royal Twelve lots of good info in posts above for you to consider. An authorative and interesting and useful short read is at this link - http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Game+Killing+Fundamentals.html esp... if are into handloading - it explains that you have options available to you once you first determine what 90% of your hunting is going to be in terms of:
a. game size, and
b. shooting range (eg strictly bush shooting or tops only or a mix of both, or varminting?)
This will produce a range of options for you from which to select an optimum proj size/characteristics plus an optimum velocity range plus optimum caliber range. (And I acknowledge that Mr Mike Bennett of Government deer-culling fame back in the 60's was a supreme hunter/culler/shooter who consistently performed eye-watering feats with his triple two - but another 99 people would have just hurt (or missed) the animal.) Hence the use of the word "optimal".
Have fun researching and testing and good luck on the hill Wink
  
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I have read nathan fosters knowledge base on projectiles but havnt found the ideal projectiles for nocking animals flat at the ranges I intend to shoot
  
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I have read nathan fosters knowledge base on projectiles but havnt found the ideal projectiles for nocking animals flat at the ranges I intend to shoot


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smiddy wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:55am:
why not the 165 btsp interlock?

+1. This is the projectile I use for all around shooting in the 30-06 and it performs well from the muzzle to 450 which is as far as I have shot anything breathing. I would also try the Nosler ballistic tip.

Both have good expansion and do hold together well.
  

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I use the Hornady 165gn SST in .308 and can not fault them, on paper or in the field.
Works at close range and worked on my only Tahr at 350 ish.
I found that particular bullet mushroomed and largely intact, even after hitting bone.
Seems people get varying results though, but they get my vote.
The grouping problem could be flinching.
  
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Lots good advise on this thread, I would concider the Nosler partion, (esp if you upgrade to a magnum) but the pro-hunter, and hornady soft points are half the price and likely have better BC as well,
You guys should see the ammo and component shortage up here at the moment, Hunting season is in full swing, I havn't seen a 6.5 cal pojectial for sale any were for months. only heavy for cal in .308 200gr up. I have seen guys on the local forum posting for .243 and .270 ammo, any kind.
Start out with sum thing that's common, and readly aviable.
 
  
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Lots good advise on this thread, I would concider the Nosler partion, (esp if you upgrade to a magnum) but the pro-hunter, and hornady soft points are half the price and likely have better BC as well,
You guys should see the ammo and component shortage up here at the moment, Hunting season is in full swing, I havn't seen a 6.5 cal pojectial for sale any were for months. only heavy for cal in .308 200gr up. I have seen guys on the local forum posting for .243 and .270 ammo, any kind.
Start out with sum thing that's common, and readly aviable.
 

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I use Scirocco II 165gr and find them good at all ranges
  
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SST gets my vote if you want to stick to one projectile. They are a good all rounder. I use 150 gr
  
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[quote author=0205011514194D0D011405600 link=1414234702/27#27 date=1414915778]I have read nathan fosters knowledge base on projectiles but havnt found the ideal projectiles for nocking animals flat at the ranges I intend to shoot[
95% shot placement. 5% projectile.

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smiddy wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:55am:
why not the 165 btsp interlock?

+1. This is the projectile I use for all around shooting in the 30-06 and it performs well from the muzzle to 450 which is as far as I have shot anything breathing. I would also try the Nosler ballistic tip.

Both have good expansion and do hold together well.



how fast are they going in your 3006?
  
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150 grain Nosler BTs or Hornady SSTs or Hornady 168 or 178 A-Max. Don't worry about retained weight, it's not important. Accurate shot placement and delivery of enough energy to kill is all you need worry about. I don't care what my bullets weigh after they have done their job and I also don't care whether they exit or not. Find out what your rifle likes, get out, shoot stuff and enjoy  Smiley
  
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Trout wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 5:42am:
Iv found at least 3 to 4   ssts 165 gr under the skin on the op shoulder of stags still weighting about 90gr to 115gr.Being fired from about a 100yds to 250yds,going thru sholder half way down,smashing sholder blades n bones,deer drop on the spot.


i go with that, i keep hunts to 250yd max, but if on paper punching over 300yds i go with another cal, 7-08, 7 Rm etc.


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260hunter wrote on Nov 5th, 2014 at 8:14am:
smiddy wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:55am:
why not the 165 btsp interlock?

+1. This is the projectile I use for all around shooting in the 30-06 and it performs well from the muzzle to 450 which is as far as I have shot anything breathing. I would also try the Nosler ballistic tip.

Both have good expansion and do hold together well.



how fast are they going in your 3006?

Sorry Smiddy I missed this and have only just seen it.
I am getting 2873 over the chrono average. I could make them go faster b ut they work really well so why bother.

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I've been told by the pros that Berger target bullets are great for anything over 500 yards. They are soft and will mushroom when travelling slow. Hard projectiles will pencil through and you put all that energy into the hill behind the animal. I don't think there is one perfect bullet for all ranges.

I use factory Norma 150gr in my 300 wsm at the moment. I shot a big red spiker with it at 100 yards and this deer fell faster than gravity itself. I don't think I'd have the same result at 600 yards (if I could shoot one that far)
  
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Have I missed the boat! I seem to be the only one using Sierra Gamekings. 150g SPBT, .308. Great grouping(2751fps), reliable expansion and knocks them down...

Anyone else use these past 300m ? Am setting up my rifle for 100-400m. e.g. are they as effective at 400 as 200? Huh
  
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Royal 12, what .30 Cal cartridge are your loading these bullets into?

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Macker wrote on Feb 18th, 2015 at 7:53am:
Have I missed the boat! I seem to be the only one using Sierra Gamekings. 150g SPBT, .308. Great grouping(2751fps), reliable expansion and knocks them down...
Anyone else use these past 300m ? Am setting up my rifle for 100-400m. e.g. are they as effective at 400 as 200? Huh

Macker no worries with your projs or load mate - your recipe is the same one I've been using for years on goats through fallow to reds and pigs from 50m out to 350m (not dialling so I'm limited to holdover out to 350m) and they perform perfectly - the few runners I've had have been due to my not placing the bullet in the engine room to best effect. I've always had excellent penetration (often exiting out to 200m), excellent expansion on recovered projs, and proj often recovered on larger animals (fallow bucks, pigs and reds) under the skin on the off-side shoulder, proj weight retention around 75%.  Not sure on those closer shots as the proj goes through but good leaky exit holes and mostly bang-flops. Wink
  
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My new rem 700 sps in 308 which im about to start using i think it has a 1-12 twist. Im not going to be shooting the longer distances  much, maybe out to 350m max, more  than likely 150 m and under.
Sticking with factory ammo at this stage so have decided on 150gr REM corelolts for the ranges im likely to be doing 95 pcent of time.
I suppose i cant go wrong with that can i??
Plus sounds like 1-12 twist prefers lighter bullets so as not often going to be shooting long distances went with the corelolts rather than the ssts or something heavier.
  
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Starting to quite enjoy this forum. Lately I've decided to take more interest in more technical aspects of shooting, once I get my gun set up better I'm going to spend some time playing around with longer range out to abut 350 ish. Be interesting to see how my load goes at longer range..
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ive been loading 150 grain accubonds into Winchester brass with 44.5 grains of adi2208 shoots half inch groups if my shootings upto it the only thing iv shot with them so far has been to bull tahr at 60m smashed the first one over boom flop but the second ran but he was dead on his feet didn't hit the shoulder just slighting behind it hard to judge the shoulder on tahr as there shoulders are further forward compared to deer
  
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sounds like you finnaly got her sorted Wink
  
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I'm looking forward to trying some 150gr nosler partitions when my scope gets back from warranty.Intended as a stag loading. Wink

for what its worth the humble cheap 150gr speer that comes in the federal power shok loadings works bloody well I've found.
  

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Mr Ar-15 wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 11:27pm:
I'm looking forward to trying some 150gr nosler partitions when my scope gets back from warranty.Intended as a stag loading. Wink

for what its worth the humble cheap 150gr speer that comes in the federal power shok loadings works bloody well I've found.


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I have used Nosler 150gr BT for the last 8yrs in my 300wsm at various ranges from 25mtr to 450mtr and fojnd them excellent.  Just need to try a different powder on the loads to get it shooting sweeter. Through my 308 just use 150 corelockt. Happy with them out to 300mtrs.
  
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The down fall to nosler accubonds is there price any one know where to get them cheap?
  
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Im using 180SST knocked over some Tahr out at 350 400 coupe weeks back and as close as 10 mtrs moving pretty slow but do the trick
  
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Zacko wrote on Oct 13th, 2015 at 6:40am:
Im using 180SST knocked over some Tahr out at 350 400 coupe weeks back and as close as 10 mtrs moving pretty slow but do the trick


Not having as much faith in this pill now such mixed results im going to give the 165 a nudge and a hollow point berger I think
  
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300wsm for life wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 11:01pm:
I have used Nosler 150gr BT for the last 8yrs in my 300wsm at various ranges from 25mtr to 450mtr and fojnd them excellent.  Just need to try a different powder on the loads to get it shooting sweeter. Through my 308 just use 150 corelockt. Happy with them out to 300mtrs.

right on there mate Wink Wink core lokts all day out to 300
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madfish71 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:34am:
Plus sounds like 1-12 twist prefers lighter bullets


From what I have been reading, off the Shilen website, 1-12" will stabilise up to 170gr projectiles. Have a read here:

http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html ;  Smiley
  
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SakoLove wrote on Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:36am:
madfish71 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 10:34am:
Plus sounds like 1-12 twist prefers lighter bullets


From what I have been reading, off the Shilen website, 1-12" will stabilise up to 170gr projectiles. Have a read here:

http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html   Smiley

Smiley You  right. My Rem loves the 165gr ssts.  Changed from the corelolts as started using it at longer ranges.

I think a 1-12 prefers lighter bullets compared to a 1-10 twist which is what i meant to say but both can handle a reasonable weight Smiley.  i prefer the 150ssts at the moment but i use both (150sst 165sst)
  
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yogi wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:35am:
royal twelve wrote on Oct 26th, 2014 at 8:17am:
I have some 165 sst's and some 155 berger vld's will these kill big animals from 10m-500m? or should I be looking at other projectiles whats the best alround projo for ultimate nock down and accuracy?

The sst's would be a good projectile out to 300yards then maybe use the A max out to 500 yards, which is where they will perform better.
The sst is a harder projectile designed for impact at higher velocities.
The A max is a frangible projectile designed for lower velocities hence its use at longer range.

Long range projectiles have the potential for wide shallow wounding at close range due to their construction and intended purpose.


Quote from a couple that have reviewed the SST round on the net.
""Hornady's very successful SST (SST stands for "Super Shock Tip") is essentially a secant ogive Interlock bullet with a red polymer tip. Introduced in 1998 in response to the popularity of the Nosler Ballistic Tip, it is a very low drag bullet with a high ballistic coefficient (BC).  The pointed polymer tip increases BC and initiates rapid expansion on impact. SST is one of the best long range bullets on the market. After initial expansion, its performance is similar to the standard InterLocks and in appropriate calibers and weights SST bullets are suitable for CXP2 and CXP3 game.""    and

""Hornady SST is designed to deliver tremendous shock on impact while expanding quickly and reliably, particularly at longer range "'.

Seen a number of videos with guys using the SST at 400m-600m and poleaxing deer and other game .
Seems they more than capable of long range than 300 yards as you state ...just saying
  
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165 GMX are devastating on reds and bigger. Great expansion and penetration. I'd have good confidence in SST's from 100-450+.

Recently sent my rifle to NZhunter to load 130TTSX. Still hold over 2000fps and 1000ft/lbs at 400 yards... will report back on first kill.
  
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Just chopped my mozzy down to 18 inchs and was trying some Hornady  amax match 168gr for grouping at good range.1 shot for each distance at 400,500 and 600yds.Got a nice match box group after the 600yd shot fired with the 500 and 600yd shots touching.With a BC of .67  at around 2400ft of elevation and a 1000lbs of energy at 600yds.Sounds like a good round for energy at distance.Scope i was using was a burris eliminator 111   3x12.
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Hope you have a good stock of A-Max as they've stopped making them. ELD and ELD-X in the same weights are longer and sleeker so would need load development if you swap.

I've got 200 x ELD 208 grain projectiles on the way for my .300 Win Mag, so I'm looking forward to seeing how they go at all ranges.

From what I'm reading, the ELD-X sounds like the best compromise between close range controlled expansion and penetration, and long range expansion at low velocities. There will no doubt be better projectiles for close range and long range, but these are looking good for both so far.

I'm going to give them a run in my 7mm Rem Mag too when I get my hands on some 162 or even better 175s. I have an 8.5 " twist, 28" barrel, so hope the 175s will go OK. Will report back when I know.

Anyone else using ELD and ELD-X yet?
  
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Pretty sure Hornady is still making some of the a-max range, I think the .308 168gr is still being made.
The .284 162 is definitely stopped and replaced with the eld range.
  
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stug wrote on Aug 28th, 2016 at 9:55pm:
Pretty sure Hornady is still making some of the a-max range, I think the .308 168gr is still being made.
The .284 162 is definitely stopped and replaced with the eld range.


Where did you read that? I use it and im fairly sure its being discontinued - that's what I read on the Hornady website a few months ago, happy to be corrected, would save me changing to the ELD-X.

Pongo on here is using the ELD-X. He will pipe up if they aren't working. He only shoots about a dozen deer a day though
  
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30 cal 168 a-max still advertised as avaliable on their site, but might be last of the stock.
  
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Yeah might be clearance of stock. Just saw that reloaders have them back in stock, will buy 500 to tide me over for a while.
  
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They're not listed on the US 2016 catalogue, so I expect the 168s are old stock. Hornady can sell the ELD line for more money, and why would they continue to sell projectiles that they have proven to have tips that melt?
  
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Why do they still list amax on their website with no mention they will be discontinued. When it was announced the amax was being stopped it was the .284 162 and a few others being stopped. The 30cal 168 and a few others were still going to be produced.
  
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Don't know mate, but I'd guess they make big runs of projectiles in specific weights and calibres then switch tooling to another. They probably manufacture millions of each before switching tooling, and I'm guessing your 168s are one of the last they will switch, so there are still plenty in stock. I may be wrong, but I would buy up a stock of A-Max to be sure as the supply could dry up any time.
  
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Don't know mate, but I'd guess they make big runs of projectiles in specific weights and calibres then switch tooling to another. They probably manufacture millions of each before switching tooling, and I'm guessing your 168s are one of the last they will switch, so there are still plenty in stock. I may be wrong, but I would buy up a stock of A-Max to be sure as the supply could dry up any time.
  
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you recovered the projectile,therefore you recovered the animal therefore the projectile did its job Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Has anyone by chance shot Hornady Superperformance 165 SST over a chornograph to see true velocity?

My 308 has 18 inch barrel and a suppressor and at a guess / rough calc I get about 2770 fps.

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My latest bullet is a 155gr Scenar. It's the most accurate bullet I've used in my 300 and they work very well on deer.
  
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GlenM - I got around 2660 with the 165sst (sf) with the same barrel length. I found I lost around 150-180 fps from what the ammo claimed. Didn't like the sst's performance with an 18" barrel.
  
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Crikey okay that's very handy to know then thanks.

What did you switch to instead?

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I don't shoot very far(300 max) so I got some 130 ttsx loaded up, have shot a dozen or so animals and seems to do the job well, I've found they work more consistently over varying weights(small Sika-Sambar) and expand instantly and always exit and nothing seems to be able to run far, even engine room shots on Sika! I've only used them out to 220 but I'm sure they'd work good enough out to 350 with good shot placement. The recoil is barely noticeable.

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everyone seems to be forgetting about the good old Nosler Partition will expand very well right down to 1800fps, and will still expand OK down to 1600. AND at 10m it will still shoot straight throught any deer you point it at with plenty expansion.

cheaper than berger too

in my 308 that means 150gr will kill bambie very dead out to 550y
  

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GlenM wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 10:02am:
Has anyone by chance shot Hornady Superperformance 165 SST over a chornograph to see true velocity?

My 308 has 18 inch barrel and a suppressor and at a guess / rough calc I get about 2770 fps.

Cheers
  Ive chonograph the 150sst and the 165sst out of my 24 inch REM 700 and the 150 was doing 2995(3000 stated) and the 165sst at 2770(2840 stated)

After now using the 165sst for a while now, shooting a number of animals, including stags , pigs, deer, goats i now have this to comment.
Most of the animals ive shot have been bush stalking and close range, 10-100m. They have all fallen over, some bang flop, some not.
Shot placement is the key with anything but for closer range im not sold on them as much as other choices.
Yes, they work but results arent as good as i would have hoped .
Clearly they more suited for longer ranges, and thats why i will stick with them in my 308 as my243 is my go to rifle for the bush and will use that much more and use the 308 for areas with longer ranges.
I shot a Bull Tahr at 315m with a 150sst and it totally pole axed it and im sure the 165sst will do the business out to 500m and it can still be a all rounder as close range it still kills but a number of animals have gone a few feet or more (more so than my 243) before falling over .

The REM corelolts 150 had more knock down power than the 165sst at close range  for a companison but they still work ok .
  
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Cheers for that.

That is interesting that the 150s are doing close to the claimed velocity and the 165s different.

I am using them with the intention as an all rounder from 10 to 450 yards on reds and bull tahr.

A heart shot on a spiker at 290m resulted in it trotting about 15m then standing for a few seconds then dropping with them and a stag at about 80m with a shoulder shot ran about 30-50m then toppled over dead.
And a bull Tahr in the weekend I shot down onto , between the shoulder blades, through the spine  at about 80m too took off round the corner before toppling over.

I asked Nathan foster what he would recommend for the ranges and hunting I am doing and he said the 165s so that's why I am running with them. Sounds like they definetley wont be having the velocity I thought they were out of my 18" barrel.

Thanks for all the info.
  
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Note that im using the 165sst out of a 24 inch barrel im prob getting more fps speed than the average user that uses a 16-18 inch 308, esp if using in the bush.  hence, even thou they knocking animals over, many look like nothng has happened, run 30m then kneel over with alot of damage. Maybe the slightly slower speed out of a 16-18 barrel perforance will be different and maybe better as the 165sst tends to work alot better at slower speeds hence better for longer range.
I suppose as i want to use  the 308 for longer range and the 243 for closer work i have some extra grunt than the common 18 inch barrel 308 as i have extended range as i be getting on average 180-220fps  more speed hence more knock down power at the limit of the round and it seems the 165sst has enough energy to knock over a animal out to 600m if using in 24 inch barrel looking at the data
  
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Reply #82 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 3:57pm
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Hey madfish71 that's some interesting and informative info in your last couple of posts, thanks for that.
I have been keen to try some of the Hornady Precision Hunter ammo in my 308 , I believe they only come with a 178gr eldx pill.
Not really what I had in mind for a long range load in 308 but certainly a high bc.
Anybody used them !!
  
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Reply #83 - Jul 22nd, 2017 at 9:12pm
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And just FYI couple of years ago I bought a packet of SF 150gr sst to use in my browning blr , which then still had its 20in barrel (since been chopped to around 16in and DPT can).
My blr did not like them at all ,groups were very average and fired cases were very hard to extract ,had to give the lever a good yank to eject fired case.
I did shoot two stags with them cause they were all I had at the time, first stag dropped on the spot hit just behind front shoulder at bout 100yds , second stag which came in to my brothers roars while I waited in ambush actually came within 2yds of me as I waited in amongst some thick crown fern , fired at its shoulder through the fern which I didn't think would be a problem at such close range but I think the bullet disintegrated before it hit poor ole staggy, he was obviously a bit sick so fired again to very little effect.
I was lucky to get a clear shot at the back of his head as he slowly walked away, when we skinned him out we only found a few fragments of lead under the skin, so that experience has put me off using ssts for close range hunting
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Reply #84 - Aug 14th, 2017 at 5:06pm
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Have just worked up a load for 130 TTSX in a 16.5 inch barrel. Very good group at just under 3000fps.  About to load some more to try at longer ranges. Looking to shoot out to about 400m.
  
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Reply #85 - Nov 15th, 2017 at 1:02pm
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Recently moved back to nz and so bought a packet of Hornady precision hunter ammo 178gr ELDX to try in my ole BLR 308( 16in barrel) and was very pleased with the results , just had a few quick sighters at 50yds to check zero  and found exact same poi as the Winchester ammo I was using with 3 shots in a nice cloverleaf about .75 MOA which is pretty good for the ole girl, as its only a short range weapon anyway!!
After that went out the back of my brothers farm where there is a few redskins running around and shot a nice fat young stag.
The ELDX pill completely munted both shoulders and found what was left of pill just pushing through the skin on opposite shoulder.
I have no idea what speed they would be doing out of my short barrel but put the stag down smartly so jolly good .
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