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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 2:02am
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Nosler Ballistic Tip or SST. 150-165 grn.

Either, and stick to it. Stop worrying. No need for a premium bullet.
You are sweating over whats just a lump of lead and copper.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:04am
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I for the life of me can not understand why you guys like those Nosler Ballistic tips or SSTs.
Imo they are ok for fallow or hinds but try them on big bull tahr, big stag or big pig, something with a bit of skin or body depth and we have found the retained weight of the projectile is bugger all esp if it is close range.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:08am
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Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:04am:
I for the life of me can not understand why you guys like those Nosler Ballistic tips or SSTs.
Imo they are ok for fallow or hinds but try them on big bull tahr, big stag or big pig, something with a bit of skin or body depth and we have found the retained weight of the projectile is bugger all esp if it is close range.


work fine for the engine room shots Smiley
  
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Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:46am
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Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:19am:
Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


What have you settled on?
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:49am
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Accubonds.

I don't take long shots [as they would have bugger all expansion], hell I don't take many shots  Wink Grin
  
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Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:19am:
Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


When did you last try ballistic tips Salmoner? I had the same experience as you when I first tried them. Years ago. Maybe 1980. 6.5 and 7mm were very poor. But they seem to have greatly improved them since then. I tried them again just a few years ago and have been quite impressed.

The SST is a soft bullet, but nothing seems to stand up again.
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 5:42am
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Iv found at least 3 to 4   ssts 165 gr under the skin on the op shoulder of stags still weighting about 90gr to 115gr.Being fired from about a 100yds to 250yds,going thru sholder half way down,smashing sholder blades n bones,deer drop on the spot.
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 6:47am
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SST, BT, Speer BTSP, Sierra Game king or Pro hunter all will work.
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 8:36am
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BC wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 5:03am:
Salmoner wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 4:19am:
Cant argue with you if you are getting the results.

However we have found that they just lack penetration on those bigger animals as they break up. We have a few that we recovered and my guess without weighing them is that they would of lost 70 - 80% of there initial weight ?

I prefer something that will hold together going through flesh, bone, vital bits more bone and maybe flesh again.


When did you last try ballistic tips Salmoner? I had the same experience as you when I first tried them. Years ago. Maybe 1980. 6.5 and 7mm were very poor. But they seem to have greatly improved them since then. I tried them again just a few years ago and have been quite impressed.

The SST is a soft bullet, but nothing seems to stand up again.


Long time ago but if you are getting bang flops Cool I cant and wont argue with you Wink Grin
  
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Reply #25 - Nov 1st, 2014 at 7:19pm
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Trout wrote on Oct 31st, 2014 at 5:42am:
Iv found at least 3 to 4   ssts 165 gr under the skin on the op shoulder of stags still weighting about 90gr to 115gr.Being fired from about a 100yds to 250yds,going thru sholder half way down,smashing sholder blades n bones,deer drop on the spot.


i go with that, i keep hunts to 250yd max, but if on paper punching over 300yds i go with another cal, 7-08, 7 Rm etc.
  

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Reply #26 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 12:16am
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Royal Twelve lots of good info in posts above for you to consider. An authorative and interesting and useful short read is at this link - http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Game+Killing+Fundamentals.html esp... if are into handloading - it explains that you have options available to you once you first determine what 90% of your hunting is going to be in terms of:
a. game size, and
b. shooting range (eg strictly bush shooting or tops only or a mix of both, or varminting?)
This will produce a range of options for you from which to select an optimum proj size/characteristics plus an optimum velocity range plus optimum caliber range. (And I acknowledge that Mr Mike Bennett of Government deer-culling fame back in the 60's was a supreme hunter/culler/shooter who consistently performed eye-watering feats with his triple two - but another 99 people would have just hurt (or missed) the animal.) Hence the use of the word "optimal".
Have fun researching and testing and good luck on the hill Wink
  
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Reply #27 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 8:09am
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I have read nathan fosters knowledge base on projectiles but havnt found the ideal projectiles for nocking animals flat at the ranges I intend to shoot
  
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Reply #28 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 6:49pm
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royal twelve wrote on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 8:09am:
I have read nathan fosters knowledge base on projectiles but havnt found the ideal projectiles for nocking animals flat at the ranges I intend to shoot


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Reply #29 - Nov 2nd, 2014 at 7:00pm
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