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What causes wonky faces?
Sep 10th, 2014 at 4:06am
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I have a handful of Jersey bulls on the farm who have crooked faces like this.

I guess he finds it easy to eat the grass off hillsides  Grin

But what causes it? Is it a hereditary thing?
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 5:21am
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theres a "thing" deer get that gives them bent noses.
jersey bulls are grumpy little bastards at the best of times but thats the first one ive seen that "literally" has its nose out of joint! Grin
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:26am
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bigbadwolf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 4:06am:
I have a handful of Jersey bulls on the farm who have crooked faces like this.

I guess he finds it easy to eat the grass off hillsides  Grin

But what causes it? Is it a hereditary thing?


What age bulls are they BBW?
Have they been like it since birth?
Do they have the same dad?
Did these bulls have anything else different as calves, wonky legs, backs or anything?
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 8:33pm
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I have yearlings and 2 year olds like this, some I bought at 6 months old and they were already slightly crooked then, others I bought at 2 years so I am not sure how long they have been like this.
I am not sure on their genetics as they are not recorded, they came from all over the waikato so unless there was a bad sire at LIC then I don't think they are related.
Otherwise seem to be very good bulls, all legs and things look perfect.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:31am
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Less likely to be just genetic then as you say (but still possible depending on what stud bulls are in circulation) - My next thought is "Atrophic rhinitis" mainly thought of as a pig disease but can affect cattle.
Often caused by a mix of bacteria but can be influenced by nutrition and genetics (eg original shape of face , bad nerves, inability to grow properly)
I cant find an awful lot online to link up but have squizz at this:
Please note the quoted study isnt differentiating much between pigs and cattle and it is likely there will be some big differences so take with a grain of salt.
http://guest.fr.yuku.com/topic/3816#.VBFYtGOTB8E

Could you smell anything at the nose (how good is your head bail  Grin), you might not get an odour now, it may have been evident earlier in the disease if thats what this is.
Some points from the article:
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Atrophic rhinitis (AR) is a debilitating chronic nasal
mucosal disease of unknown aetiology
(cause)

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The condition is unlikely to occur before puberty. It
is prevalent predominantly in young and middle-aged
adults.


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The disease is
extremely common in swines and cattle and is
described as ‘progressive atrophic rhinitis’


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It is a common condition in
tropical countries such as India, Pakistan, China,
Philippines, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Central
Africa, Eastern Europe (Poland), Greece,
Mediterranean areas and Latin and South America.1,12
A literature review shows that the majority of
publications on AR are from India, China, Poland and
other regions where the condition is common


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Chronic bacterial
infection of the nose or the sinuses is implicated as a
cause of primary AR


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Some authors consider this to be an iron deficiency
disease.26 Fat-soluble vitamin deficiency (especially
vitamin A) is also believed to be a factor


Atrophic rhintis may also be an immune disease
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Various factors such as viral
infections, malnutrition and immunodeficiency may
trigger a destructive autoimmune process with the
release of antigens of nasal mucosa into the
circulation


Its complicated eh, but very interesting!
If you suspect it early, Id hit them with a good broad spectrum antibiotic, give them a multi vitamin shot and make sure their trace elements are up to scratch, pump the food in to them.
What did your vet think BBW?
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:57pm
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do they all kink the same way???
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 5:19am
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I have seen 1 cow with this problem, I just thought she came from Mount Somers or Waimate Cheesy
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #7 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 3:50am
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Had a Heading Dog once with a similar thing, I forget name of the condition, although apparently in the Northern Hemisphere they twist the other way. No Shit.

I'll look it up later when I get a chance.
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #8 - Sep 16th, 2014 at 8:07am
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Typical, cant find the info I was after. But if you Google "wry face cattle" you'll find cases of similar.
  
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Re: What causes wonky faces?
Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2014 at 6:19am
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Those ones specialise in eating round the back of the fence posts and around tree stumps.
  

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