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Which Scope?
Aug 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm
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Hi Guys,

Have been saving furiously for a new scope. I want something towards the higher end for precision matches and LR.

Requirements are:

FFP Reticle
MIL/MIL or MOA/MOA not fussed
30mm+ main tube
illuminated
50mm+ OBJ

I have a good budget and am looking at either the new vortex Razor Gen 2 4.5-27x56: http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hide-rifle-scopes/224941-new-vortex-razor-g...

or a new S&B PMII 4-16x50 or used 5-25x56 http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/police-and-military-forces/4-16x50-pm... http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/police-and-military-forces/5-25x56-pm...

or a Khales K6I 6-24 with MSR reticle http://www.eurooptic.com/kahles-k-6-24x56-msr-cw-tactical-turrets-10541.aspx

Intent is to move it from rifle to rifle on a pic rail.

What do those of you with experience on these scopes recommend?

I like the Vortex xmas tree style reticle and warranty. S&B are expensive but set the benchmark, buy once cry once etc... and a good friend with a vast amount of experience on large calibre LR shooting swears by his new Khales...

I appreciate the advice.

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Frazer.

  

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Re: Which Scope?
Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 1:48pm
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You could try a IOR, I'm using a 3.5-18x50 and would recommend it, great glass tracks on the button and fits all of your stated requirements.
  
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Thanks, will look into them.

Did you get it in NZ or import?
  

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Bought in NZ.
  
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I don't have experience of nay of these, but I know a bloke who was the European F Class champ using an IOR.
  
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machblack1 wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 1:53pm:
Bought in NZ.



Where abouts?
  

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Just curious about which precision matches you are referring too?

I assume you're in NZ?
  

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Gunslinger and the various 'sniper' shoots that occur from time to time.

Budget is around 3 to 3 and a half.

Why did you sell the S&B ProudKiwi? if you don't mind me asking.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:18pm
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I've owned Benders and Kahles and have used the Vortex.

Of the 3, the PMII is the nicest to look through and the turrets are brilliant, especially the DT version with second rev counter. The glass in the Kahles is a little bit behind the S&B with really nice turrets. I especially like the parallax location. The Vortex glass is quite a bit behind both the S&B and the Kahles. The turrets are very very good. People who go banging on about the glass in the Vortex scopes being as good as the PMII's are dreaming. I'm pretty sure they are deliberately trying to deceive themselves because they can't afford a Bender. I will also add at this point that the glass in the Hendsolt's and the Premiere's are better than the PMII.

Now the negatives.

The illumination turret on the PMII is SHIT!!! It's in a ridiculous position that really impacts negatively on mounting options.

All these scopes are f*ckING ENOURMOUS!!!!!!!!

If your mounting them on a rifle that weighs less than 6kgs and is not designed primarily for prone shooting they will flat out ruin your life! The balance will be horrific.

My PMII was mounted on a GA Precision built .338 Norma Mag which I recently sold. I found that I just wasn't using it anywhere near as much as I thought I was going to. Just too big and heavy to be arsed carrying around. I have smaller/carry rifles that ballistically do everything I need them to do out to at least 1k.

On paper, having one scope mounted in a QD system sounds viable. It isn't. In fact, in real life it's pretty much one if the worse ideas ever. Been there, done that. Lasted about one week.

You don't need illumination for LR shooting. In fact I'm not convinced you need an illuminated reticle for any sort of hunting. Personal opinion only of course.

34mm tube = more elevation adjustment which you may or may not need depending on how far you plan on shooting.

FFP vs SFP. For some reasons the yanks have a hardon for FFP and I'm f*cked if I know why. For how we use our scopes here and the way the very few comps we have are run it makes no difference at all.

Would I own another PMII? Yes if I built another longranger but the chances of that happening are remote. I'm looking pretty seriously at a S&B ultra short for another build I'm doing though.

Hope that answers some of your questions Smiley
  

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Thanks Glen.

I appreciate your honesty. Its good to get the facts from someone with the experience.

I usually use SFP and after trying a FFP want to make the switch to remove the need for maths when applying dialed corrections. I also want to learn to estimate range with the reticle to alleviate the need for a LRF.

The Bender's are certainly what I am aiming for but I will look through the new Vortex Razor 2 in the next few weeks when they arrive before making a decision.

That GA Precision must have been a real sweet rig, heard nothing but good things from owners. Pity it went down the road  Cry

What put you off the '1 scope' idea?

I have the opportunity to shoot LR all the time and want to make the most of these opportunities while I can. The rifle will be shot from the prone 95% of the time, so size and weight is not a real factor while I'm young enough not to notice a few extra kg's  Wink

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Frazer.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:54am
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Personally i went with the Kahles K624i with MSR on my .260. Awesome scope but i have very little experience with the others.

The new steiners coming out later this year look pretty cool.

Some reading for you:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/
  
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Gillie wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 11:54am:
Personally i went with the Kahles K624i with MSR on my .260. Awesome scope but i have very little experience with the others.

The new steiners coming out later this year look pretty cool.

Some reading for you:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/

Do you mean these? http://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/scopes/rifle-scopes/gs3-riflescopes-pro...
  
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